Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window) (Read 4744 times)

changemyoil66

Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« on: May 16, 2025, 02:24:27 PM »
"     (d)  Notwithstanding subsection (e), all drivers and passengers of motor vehicles with applied tint shall fully roll down their windows when stopped by a law enforcement officer at a traffic stop.  This subsection shall not apply to individuals unable to do so due to physical disability or mechanical failure; provided that the driver communicates or cooperates through other means reasonably available.  A driver's or passenger's failure to comply with this subsection may be cited as a noncriminal traffic infraction."

HB226 CD1

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2025/bills/HB226_CD1_.HTM

RSN172

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2025, 04:42:48 PM »
What, no mo exemption if raining heavy.
Happily living in Puna

changemyoil66

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2025, 04:52:31 PM »
What, no mo exemption if raining heavy.

Nope and the tint installer needs to issue every person they installed tint a certificate. No grandfather clause. So they would have to call ever person they installed tint for ever and issue a certificate.

RSN172

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2025, 07:58:33 PM »
On 2nd thought no need worry when rain.  Cops no give ticket when raining. Dey no like get wet.
Happily living in Puna

hvybarrels

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2025, 08:07:37 PM »
So if you buy your own tint you have to print out a certificate? How does that work?

What happened to the taxpayer-funded tint meters that they carry around?

This seems like an excuse for road pirates to check out your stuff and see if they want to steal it.

Or come up with some lame excuse to toss your car.
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2025, 08:49:07 PM »
So if you buy your own tint you have to print out a certificate? How does that work?

What happened to the taxpayer-funded tint meters that they carry around?

This seems like an excuse for road pirates to check out your stuff and see if they want to steal it.

Or come up with some lame excuse to toss your car.

Aren't the safety inspection stations doing tint metering in order to pass your vehicle?  Seems like a valid safety sticker would suffice for a "tint certificate".

If you have a headlight burn out or a tire become too bald, they let you drive that way until you need another inspection sticker unless a Cop notices and gives you a warning/ticket.  Why is tint getting such special attention? 

Just another solution without an actual problem.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2025, 12:36:05 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2025, 03:41:45 AM »
...safety check supposed to take care of this.
SMH
« Last Edit: May 17, 2025, 09:52:32 AM by oldfart »
What, Me Worry?

QUIETShooter

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2025, 07:38:19 AM »
Wow, things are really getting stupid here in the banana republik of hawaii.

The tint that comes with the car straight off the assembly line from the manufacturer is worse.

What a stupid law made from a bunch of fackahs.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

RSN172

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2025, 08:18:05 AM »
Wow, things are really getting stupid here in the banana republik of hawaii.

The tint that comes with the car straight off the assembly line from the manufacturer is worse.

What a stupid law made from a bunch of fackahs.
As wat happens wen dey no mo nothing fo do.  Like idle kids, dey start thinking of dumb shit.
Happily living in Puna

ren

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2025, 12:15:50 PM »
Its about compliance. If you have any kind of tint you have to roll down your window for an officer.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2025, 12:34:29 PM »
Its about compliance. If you have any kind of tint you have to roll down your window for an officer.
So, if your tinting was added to the glass during manufacturing, I assume that doesn't fit the definition of "applied?"

In that case, you could leave your window up when pulled over for a traffic stop.  Then the question would be whether or not the Cop believes the tint was "applied" justifying his decision to break your glass.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2025, 02:07:11 PM »
On the plus side this is exactly the type of overreach that gets people more involved in politics.

It's way past time to get rid of Asset Forfeiture, and now there will be plenty of popular support to push it through.
The F in Communism stands for Food

Westside_Redneck

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2025, 01:04:55 PM »
Why is tint getting such special attention? 

Just another solution without an actual problem.

I am wagering this is connected to more anti gun laws in the most loosest sense. They want to guarantee the police union that their officers can pull somebody over at a traffic stop and not worry about their officers getting shot through the glass. To my knowledge, when was the last time such a crime occurred in Hawaii?

Either that, or they want to eliminate the possibility of someone using a dark tinted window to strategically make an attempt on the life of a certain politician or their 'friends'. Again any evidence of precedence in this state? Or could our dumb politicians believe they are living in an episode of Hawaii five-o.

Explain to me why the state capital building had metal detectors installed at the state capital within the same year the Bruen decision came out?  :o

changemyoil66

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2025, 01:44:41 PM »
I am wagering this is connected to more anti gun laws in the most loosest sense. They want to guarantee the police union that their officers can pull somebody over at a traffic stop and not worry about their officers getting shot through the glass. To my knowledge, when was the last time such a crime occurred in Hawaii?

Either that, or they want to eliminate the possibility of someone using a dark tinted window to strategically make an attempt on the life of a certain politician or their 'friends'. Again any evidence of precedence in this state? Or could our dumb politicians believe they are living in an episode of Hawaii five-o.

Explain to me why the state capital building had metal detectors installed at the state capital within the same year the Bruen decision came out?  :o

"not everything is a conspiracy".....lol.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2025, 10:48:29 AM »
So if you buy your own tint you have to print out a certificate? How does that work?

What happened to the taxpayer-funded tint meters that they carry around?

This seems like an excuse for road pirates to check out your stuff and see if they want to steal it.

Or come up with some lame excuse to toss your car.

You have to issue yourself a certificate. Could just be a handwritten note saying you installed it. When the cop asks where your certificate is you could say hold on a second, create one on a scrap of paper then hand it to the officer haha.

Rolling down the windows seems like it is for an officer safety standpoint. Walking up to blacked out windows you have no way of knowing if someone is pointing a gun at you, or if someone is tied up in the back seat for that matter. Doesn't apply to rear windows though so it only helps if the front passenger/driver has a gun.

macsak

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2025, 12:03:15 PM »
"seems like it is"
lul...

You have to issue yourself a certificate. Could just be a handwritten note saying you installed it. When the cop asks where your certificate is you could say hold on a second, create one on a scrap of paper then hand it to the officer haha.

Rolling down the windows seems like it is for an officer safety standpoint. Walking up to blacked out windows you have no way of knowing if someone is pointing a gun at you, or if someone is tied up in the back seat for that matter. Doesn't apply to rear windows though so it only helps if the front passenger/driver has a gun.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2025, 12:40:01 PM »
"seems like it is"
lul...

That's an easy game to play.

Seems like it is an attempt to assist law enforcement in profiling drivers and passengers via race, age and gender.

Seems like it is an attempt to punish the entire population of vehicle owners and drivers based solely on a tiny percentage of the population who might want to use dark tint to obscure unlawful activities inside the vehicle.

Seems like it is an attempt to close businesses that specialize in vehicle window tinting.  Shutting sown these businesses will in turn significantly reduce the number of vehicles with any degree of applied window tint.

Seems like it is an attempt to only make illegal something that's been legal to date, thereby making traffic criminals of otherwise law abiding citizens.  Another traffic law to raise state and county traffic fine revenue.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2025, 01:47:47 PM »
You have to issue yourself a certificate. Could just be a handwritten note saying you installed it. When the cop asks where your certificate is you could say hold on a second, create one on a scrap of paper then hand it to the officer haha.

Rolling down the windows seems like it is for an officer safety standpoint. Walking up to blacked out windows you have no way of knowing if someone is pointing a gun at you, or if someone is tied up in the back seat for that matter. Doesn't apply to rear windows though so it only helps if the front passenger/driver has a gun.

Don't forget that there is no "grandfather clause" for any prior installed tint.  Which means every tint installer will have to contact every customer they've installed tint for to issue a certificate.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2025, 11:15:05 AM »
"seems like it is"
lul...

Since the bill doesn't state specific intent I am forced to speculate.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Moar Laws (Tint and rolling down your window)
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2025, 11:16:23 AM »
Don't forget that there is no "grandfather clause" for any prior installed tint.  Which means every tint installer will have to contact every customer they've installed tint for to issue a certificate.

I have noticed a tendency of lawmakers to write up bills that sound good to them but without thinking how they would work in real life application. This is a perfect example.