Hey I give you credit for standing up for your point of view in a space populated by hard-asses ready to fight at the drop of a hat.

That takes some balls.

I'm deeply suspicious of group think myself, but the truth is, these guys are just super serious, for very, very good reasons.

So we all get to fight another day - right?

All the best to those on this forum!

I had not noticed but that will help frame future comments for a better understanding.

I too have/had a tendency to see certain things in black and white but I try to balance that idealism and realism, with varying levels of success.

I tend not to go with the flow and if I see a flawed argument in favor of guns I will point it out even though it clearly goes against the aim of the pro gun community. This does not always put me in the best relations with the hardcore gun rights activists on this forum as you can tell by Flapp needing to have the last word. Maybe it is because I am a moderate, or maybe it is a stubborn attachment to accuracy and logical consistency but I do not see the gun rights argument as one without pros and cons on both sides. I frequently find myself reexamining my own positions on guns, trying to find the right balance of protection of gun rights and reasonable and effective gun control laws. I do not think we can leave firearms out of the conversation about the problem in the same way I don't think the left can focus only on firearms in conversations about the problem.

And thanks for your nice assessment of me

Wow. Someone likes themselves wayyyyyyy too much.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

We are the problem.  Not guns.

I am not going to engage with you if you continue to make dishonest strawman comments about my position.

We use logic and facts.  If someone is wrong, we let them know and post the why with logic and facts. 

 
That was a good joke

Hey I give you credit for standing up for your point of view in a space populated by hard-asses ready to fight at the drop of a hat.

That takes some balls.

I'm deeply suspicious of group think myself, but the truth is, these guys are just super serious, for very, very good reasons.

So we all get to fight another day - right?

All the best to those on this forum!

A lot of people here are more keyboard warriors than hard asses. A good dozen or so of us clearly come here for the arguments.

I generally don't think people here argue with ill intent. As you can see Flapp and CMO keep trying to bait/troll me into pointless arguments but for the most part I think people here genuinely believe in their positions and have good intent. I find out things the left leaves out very often on this forum and I similarly find out things the right leaves out in discussions with left leaning people so I consider this forum useful as one part of many sources to have a more informed position.

WROONNNNGGGG again.

What a devastating rebuttal (That was sarcasm)

How else does 1 point out you're wrong again due to the fact that you won't admit it, move goalpost, etc...

You can't do something "again" if you have never done it before.

 
That was a good joke

I left out that the people here aren't "hard-asses". We use logic and facts.  If someone is wrong, we let them know and post the why with logic and facts.  Think of it like explaining to an anti 2a person why your gun is protected by the 2a, and they refuse to listen to all the true data and facts.  Instead they go by feelings, cherry picked info, and false data.

I have been proven wrong multiple times here when presenting with the correct info.  I had no problem admitting I was wrong and the thread ended.  But as you can see, threads go on and on and on when he refused to admit he was wrong and instead tries to dig himself out of the hole.  Flapp is very good at posting detailed sources that are correct.  I don't have the time to do so with him anymore.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Sorry if you took offense at my reference to folks around here as being hard asses.

In my world, that's a compliment.