Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide? (Read 6611 times)

MauiAxis

Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« on: May 28, 2025, 08:26:04 AM »
If I have a long gun Permit to Acquire issued in Maui, is this valid on other islands in the state of Hawaii?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2025, 11:52:24 AM »
If I have a long gun Permit to Acquire issued in Maui, is this valid on other islands in the state of Hawaii?

Good question. I can't find anything in the permit section however I don't have a permit in front of me right now so I don't know if the permit itself has any stipulations. Permits fall under the same requirements in each county so there isn't a good reason to only allow ones in your own county.
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/title-10/chapter-134/section-134-2/

However this sections says
(b) No person shall possess any firearm that is owned by another, regardless of whether the owner has consented to possession of the firearm, without a permit from the chief of police of the appropriate county, except as provided in subsection (c) and section 134-5.
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/title-10/chapter-134/section-134-4/
I would think the permit issued by the appropriate county would mean where you live any apply for permits but I could imagine someone interpreting it to mean the place of purchase.

Maybe try calling a gun shop on another island and ask if they will take a Maui County permit to purchase. Let us know what they say.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2025, 12:00:06 PM »
Good question. I can't find anything in the permit section however I don't have a permit in front of me right now so I don't know if the permit itself has any stipulations. Permits fall under the same requirements in each county so there isn't a good reason to only allow ones in your own county.
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/title-10/chapter-134/section-134-2/

However this sections says
(b) No person shall possess any firearm that is owned by another, regardless of whether the owner has consented to possession of the firearm, without a permit from the chief of police of the appropriate county, except as provided in subsection (c) and section 134-5.
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/title-10/chapter-134/section-134-4/
I would think the permit issued by the appropriate county would mean where you live any apply for permits but I could imagine someone interpreting it to mean the place of purchase.

Maybe try calling a gun shop on another island and ask if they will take a Maui County permit to purchase. Let us know what they say.

A simple "I have no idea" would have saved you lots of typing.

Then again, a non-reply would have saved 100%.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2025, 12:09:03 PM »
A simple "I have no idea" would have saved you lots of typing.

Then again, a non-reply would have saved 100%.

Wrong.
I gave him two sections to reference as well as two suggestions to help him find a resolution.

The only post here offering nothing of value is yours. Don't derail another thread.
 :stopjack:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2025, 12:11:51 PM »
Wrong.
I gave him two sections to reference as well as two suggestions to help him find a resolution.

The only post here offering nothing of value is yours. Don't derail another thread.
 :stopjack:

Wrong.
 :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2025, 12:23:03 PM »
Wrong.
 :stopjack:

You are entitled to your opinion

Begle1

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2025, 12:38:26 PM »
Wow, I've certainly considered buying guns in a different county before, and I never considered it may not be legal to do so. Surely some FFL's must know the answer to this.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2025, 12:43:17 PM »
You are entitled to your opinion

Funny how you spend so much time arguing against my opinions.

 :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2025, 02:30:31 PM »
Funny how you spend so much time arguing against my opinions.

 :stopjack:

 :wtf: :stopjack:

zippz

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2025, 06:48:23 PM »
Answer was easy to lookup

HRS 134-2 (a) No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn, a permit to acquire the ownership of a firearm as prescribed in this section

It would be interesting if not for this, if the person buying a gun was in Oahu, seller was on Kauai, they wanted to meet up in Maui, but applied for a permit on Big Island.

For CCW it has the same associated chief of police language, but doesn't say place of business or residence.  So I guess you can still get it wherever.

changemyoil66

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2025, 07:29:14 PM »
Wrong.
I gave him two sections to reference as well as two suggestions to help him find a resolution.

The only post here offering nothing of value is yours. Don't derail another thread.
 :stopjack:
Did u offer a good answer? No, so flapps reply is a good one.

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RSN172

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2025, 09:16:29 PM »
Hawaii with its county specific gun laws are stupid. It is like you lose your gun rights because you fly to another island, despite being a Hawaii citizen.
Happily living in Puna

MauiAxis

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2025, 07:20:49 AM »
Answer was easy to lookup

HRS 134-2 (a) No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn, a permit to acquire the ownership of a firearm as prescribed in this section

It would be interesting if not for this, if the person buying a gun was in Oahu, seller was on Kauai, they wanted to meet up in Maui, but applied for a permit on Big Island.

For CCW it has the same associated chief of police language, but doesn't say place of business or residence.  So I guess you can still get it wherever.

Thank you Zipps. So if I am reading this correctly, the part in red, I can buy firearms on Oahu since I have a PTA from where I live (Maui).

nalo_b

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2025, 09:45:02 AM »
You should be able to. I have a long gun permit issued on Oahu and bought a rifle on the Big Island no problems. I didn't even think if it was possible or not just went to a shop there and purchased a rifle and brought it back.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2025, 11:18:52 AM »
Did u offer a good answer? No, so flapps reply is a good one.

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You are entitled to your opinion regardless of its lack of merit.  :thumbsup:

changemyoil66

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2025, 11:20:21 AM »
You are entitled to your opinion regardless of its lack of merit.  :thumbsup:

Keep thinking that.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2025, 11:21:25 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2025, 11:37:58 AM »
I will, thanks

And that's why the cycle continues.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2025, 11:40:01 AM »
And that's why the cycle continues.

Because you can't restrain yourself from responding?

I said thanks, signaling the end of the exchange but you have to keep it going huh?

changemyoil66

Re: Is a PTA issued in a Hawaii county valid statewide?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2025, 12:02:44 PM »
Because you can't restrain yourself from responding?

I said thanks, signaling the end of the exchange but you have to keep it going huh?

And here it is. Lets keep this thread going needlessly long.

You could simply not reply, but instead you chose to use "thanks".