Trump and Musk breakup (Read 3484 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2025, 08:05:37 AM »
No, its more like confirmation bias, you like that conclusion because it supports your support of Trump.
One could just as easily argue it is logical that the officers who know the contents of the Epstein list are honorable employees and wouldn't do anything so illegal and/or unethical as releasing confidential information.

It is perfectly fine to say you believe that Trump isn't mentioned as a suspect because you believe someone would have leaked it but it would be factually incorrect to say it as a factual statement. Your belief isn't illogical or even unreasonable, in fact I considered the same angle but it isn't some proof Trump isn't mentioned in any way negatively.
Re read every fake news post and discussion here about the weaponized doj. We covered this already.

Does elon hold the clearance to read the unredacted report?

Thanks for playing and not admitting u are wrong again.

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Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2025, 11:52:11 AM »
No, its more like confirmation bias, you like that conclusion because it supports your support of Trump.
One could just as easily argue it is logical that the officers who know the contents of the Epstein list are honorable employees and wouldn't do anything so illegal and/or unethical as releasing confidential information.

It is perfectly fine to say you believe that Trump isn't mentioned as a suspect because you believe someone would have leaked it but it would be factually incorrect to say it as a factual statement. Your belief isn't illogical or even unreasonable, in fact I considered the same angle but it isn't some proof Trump isn't mentioned in any way negatively.

Putting aside for a moment the discussion of whether incriminating info vis-a-vis Epstein exists, but hasn't been used, etc., I'd like to focus on the "tribes" concept as it applies to supposed followers of politicians, etc.

Constitutionalists, or Conservatives (a corrupted term in my view), or Classical Liberals (a term from when "liberal" was derivative of liberty), are inherently ANTI-COLLECTIVE and anti-personality cultists.

The extent to which they support an individual politician varies in direct proportion to how they perceive that individual's belief in, and support of, the tenants of human liberty and associated principals with respect to government, as so well articulated in our Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights and similar writings.

So we overwhelmingly evaluate political positions based upon how they square up with those beliefs, however vaguely we may understand them.

Those folks wearing MAGA hats are overwhelmingly NOT TRUMP ACOLYTES, as leftists believe (because they themselves are highly collectivist in mentality).  They simply perceive him to have picked up the standard of their values and advanced it back into the fight, the first such politician to do so since Regan.

Perhaps tactically, this anti-collective nature puts us at a bit of a disadvantage relative to collectivists.  This is on perfect display right here in Hawaii in the 2A fight, as we bunch of fiercely passionate individuals, united by these shared values, are facing off against a collectivist machine, organized from the top down, from DC right down to our friggin neighborhood boards, well funded all the way (most likely in good part with OUR money).

On the other hand, our advantage lies precisely in those shared values and our understanding that we must fight to preserve them.  That's why, when we show up, it's plain to see that we are literally every kind of American you can imagine.

All this is just to say that we do not pledge allegiance to any man, ever.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2025, 01:22:39 PM »
If I had to pick a side,  I would choose musk.   He's better than trump.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2025, 02:45:52 PM »
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2025, 03:53:35 PM »
People tend to forget that Trump had the most successful reality show on TV for many years.  He knows what people watch.

The "feud" has caused many progressives to do a 180 in their opinion of Musk, which will increase his stock values and stop all the anti-Tesla craziness going around.  Distancing himself from Trump will demonstrate how shallow and stupid the Left is in general as they migrate back to Elon just to oppose Trump.

How many times does Trump have to manipulate the media's narrative about him before they figure it out?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2025, 05:26:47 PM »
This feud is stupid and is going to hurt everyone in the mid-terms which currently is about dead even if Republican's stay in control.  Trump matured a lot in this second term with staying focused on getting things done, showing leadership, and not getting into petty squabbles.  He's reverted to old Trump.

Elon made big sacrifices in the elections and for Doge that he didn't have to.  He took a lot of heat for the Federal cuts he made and increasing the budget is a slap on the face.  However Elon should recognize that a lot of the debt is due to the tax cuts where at least it's better to return money to the people than have government squander it.  And that cutting the budget too severely will make it difficult to pass the budget and win the midterms.

macsak

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2025, 08:22:43 PM »

Rocky

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2025, 07:59:02 AM »
Musk goes republican and supports Trump.
Trump has Musk do Doge.
Left now hates Musk so picks on Tesla and Musk.
Musk job at doge comes to an end.
Musk hates Trump.
Left now Loves Musk, (still hates Trump).

2 of the smartest and richest guys in the world playing Trumps 4-d Chess and the left is just eating it up.
LOL
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hvybarrels

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2025, 09:04:54 AM »
Musk got a mysterious black eye and all of a sudden turns on MAGA.

Lots of other mysterious black eyes showing up on celebrities and politicians just before similar bizarre behavioral changes.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2025, 11:05:41 AM »


https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1932695486684950962

It takes humility to apologize publicly like that.

Richest and most intelligent inventor of our time doesn't mean he's flawless.

Engineers are usually the worst when it comes to getting along with others.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump and Musk breakup
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2025, 02:15:33 AM »
And now Musk and Trump are at it again. Musk has said he will start a new party and fund primary challenges to those who voted for the bill. The Epstein issue was brought up again and Trump suggested turning DOGE on Musk and brought up deportation. That could legally backfire on Trump and Musk's further political involvement could undermine some of Trump's efforts.

I don't know how much success Musk will have starting a new party but I wish him the best of luck.