Israel vs Iran (Read 9638 times)

Lihikai

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2025, 08:29:40 PM »
Going to be interesting to see what happens to the price of gold, silver, bitcoin, etc

hvybarrels

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2025, 12:11:29 AM »
Going to be interesting to see what happens to the price of gold, silver, bitcoin, etc

If the straits of Hormuz close then we’re going to be paying a lot more for gas, especially here where they use every excuse to rip us off already.

One benefit of higher oil prices is that it makes the more difficult extractions profitable again.

The real question is if there’s enough domestic supply to replace the Middle East, and the fact we are still fighting wars over there says no.
 
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QUIETShooter

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2025, 06:43:10 AM »
I wonder if they could make that type of missile for hand held weapons.

Special Ops could hump that bad boy to use on some of their missions where they need to kill those coward bastards hiding amongst the civilian population.

But then something could go awry and it ends up in the wrong hands.

Never mind.

But then you might also have a rogue pilot..........

Ahhh.  I'm overthinking this.  Just nuke everything. (where's the I'm kidding emoji....) ;)
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2025, 08:45:44 AM »
4got to add Jordan is also helping shoot drones down that are heading toward Israel.

So thats the Saudi's and Jordanians helping a non-islamic country.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2025, 11:17:39 AM »
4got to add Jordan is also helping shoot drones down that are heading toward Israel.

So thats the Saudi's and Jordanians helping a non-islamic country.
Not all Muslims are "created equal."

Saudi Arabia is predominately Sunni Muslim.  97.2% of Muslims in Jordan are also Sunni.

Iran is 90-95% Shia Muslim.

The Sunnis and Shias have a fundamental disagreement about their religion.
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The main difference between Shiite and Sunni Muslims lies in their beliefs about
the rightful successor to the Prophet Muhammad. Sunnis believe that the
community should select a leader, while Shiites believe that leadership should
stay within Muhammad's family, specifically with his cousin and son-in-law, Ali.

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Shia have been persecuted by the Islamic State, an Islamist terrorist group,
since 2014. Persecutions have taken place in Iraq, Syria, and other parts of
the world. Despite being the religious majority in Iraq, Shia have been killed
and otherwise persecuted by IS, which is Sunni. On 12 June 2014, the Islamic
State killed 1,700 unarmed Shia Iraqi Army cadet recruits in the
Camp Speicher massacre.

Add to that the fact that Iran has proclaimed itself the chosen leader of the caliphate, which would make all other Muslim countries subordinate to the laws and directives from the Caliph in Iran.
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The concept of caliphate has had many different interpretations and realizations
through the centuries, but fundamental to them all is that it offers an idea of leadership
which is about the just ordering of Muslim society according to the will of God.
Some have argued that the caliph is the shadow of God on earth, a man whose
authority is semi-divine and whose conduct is without blame; many more would
accept that the caliph was, so to speak, the chief executive of the umma, the
Muslim community, an ordinary human with worldly powers, and there is a wide
spectrum of ideas in between. All are informed by the desire to see God’s will
worked out among all Muslims.
https://time.com/4471463/caliphate-history/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2025, 11:23:51 AM »
and 10-15% of the population in Israel are Arab Muslims. Its not black and white as the mainstream media portrays. Its not Jews vs Muslims.

https://youtu.be/ImHL6k9B8JM?si=zG5yvgKQTKDxpEB9
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hvybarrels

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2025, 01:09:43 PM »
Its not black and white as the mainstream media portrays.

It's almost like the people who insist that everyone refer to modern rifles as "assault weapons" are intentionally lying to us
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changemyoil66

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2025, 08:45:31 AM »
Interesting last few days.

NPR which is fake news yesterday had a college professor on and she was saying the US involvement is illegal, Trump bad, and that every country should be able to make nukes, it's none of the business of any other country.

Today, NPR had the DNC head of the Arms Committee and he said it's legal as it's not a total war, which would need congress to approve.  He also stated that Iran is days away from being able to make a nuke.  So he is coaberating what Masaad stated.  Compare to Tulsi who said that Iran is 3 years away.  He also stated that Iran is in violation of some international nuke agreement and that they are testing how far they can get away with things.

Notice Tulsi didn't say that Iran isn't doing anything nuke related, but that they are 3 years away.  I think that implies that they are starting to build the buildings and install equipment type of thing. Compare this if she said that Iran wasn't doing any such thing.

QUIETShooter

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2025, 10:29:15 AM »
No doubt the POTUS's job is a hard one.

I say the rhetoric that Iran poses about destroying Israel and eliminating all Jews should weigh heavily in the decision whether to get involved or not.

Maybe if Iran didn't talk sh*t about Israel then Israel wouldn't bother with them.
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hvybarrels

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2025, 11:52:17 AM »
Best quote I've found so far:

"Neither side eats bacon. This is not my war."
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2025, 12:17:16 PM »
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The Iran nuclear agreement, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of
Action (JCPOA), is a landmark accord reached between Iran and several world
powers, including the United States, in July 2015. Under its terms, Iran agreed to
dismantle much of its nuclear program and open its facilities to more extensive
international inspections in exchange for billions of dollars’ worth of sanctions relief.

Proponents of the deal said that it would help prevent a revival of Iran’s nuclear
weapons program and thereby reduce the prospects for conflict between Iran and
its regional rivals, including Israel and Saudi Arabia. However, the deal has been
in jeopardy since President Donald Trump withdrew the United States from it in 2018.
In retaliation for the U.S. departure and for deadly attacks on prominent Iranians in
2020, including one by the United States, Iran has resumed its nuclear activities.
UN inspectors reported in early 2023 that Iran had enriched trace amounts of uranium
to nearly weapons-grade levels, sparking international alarm.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-iran-nuclear-deal

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On 8 May 2018, Trump announced U.S. withdrawal from JCPOA.[17][18][19]
On 7 August 2018, the E.U. enacted a blocking statute to defeat U.S. sanctions
on countries trading with Iran.[20] In November 2018, U.S. sanctions came back
into effect, intended to force Iran to alter its policies, including its support for
militant groups in the region and its development of ballistic missiles.[21]

In May 2019, IAEA certified that Iran was abiding by the main terms, though
questions were raised about how many advanced centrifuges Iran was allowed
to have, which was only loosely specified in the deal.[22]

On 1 July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile
of low-enriched uranium,[23] which the IAEA confirmed.[24]

On 5 January 2020, Iran declared that it would no longer abide by the deal's
limitations but would continue to coordinate with IAEA.[25]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action

I remember when John Kerry briefed Congress on this deal.  He said there were parts of it that even the US is not authorized to know.  Seriously?  The most powerful nation on the planet is told, "Sign it ... and don't worry about knowing everything?"

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-united-states/story?id=123020009

You might recall that the nuclear deal Iran had throughout the 1990s was ignored by them, and they admitted to violating the agreement for decades.

What good is an agreement when the main party it's meant to curtail from making nukes has been cheating forever?
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In 2002, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) exposed the existence
of an undisclosed uranium enrichment facility in Natanz, leading to emerging
concerns about Iran's nuclear program.[54][55] In 2003, after the Iranian government
formally acknowledged the facilities, the Atomic Energy Agency inspected them,
finding that they had a more advanced nuclear program than had previously been
anticipated by U.S. intelligence.[56]

After public allegations about Iran's previously undeclared nuclear activities, the
IAEA launched an investigation that concluded in November 2003 that Iran had
systematically failed to meet its obligations under its NPT safeguards agreement
to report those activities to the IAEA, although it also reported no evidence of
links to a nuclear weapons program. The IAEA Board of Governors delayed a
formal finding of non-compliance until September 2005, and reported that non-
compliance to the Security Council in February 2006. After the Board of Governors
reported Iran's noncompliance with its safeguards agreement to the Security Council,
the Council demanded that Iran suspend its enrichment programs. The Council
imposed sanctions after Iran refused to do so. A May 2009 US Congressional
Report suggested "the United States, and later the Europeans, argued that Iran's
deception meant it should forfeit its right to enrich, a position likely to be up for
negotiation in talks with Iran."[64]
https://worldbriefings.com/news/irans-nuclear-program-a-history-of-controversy-and-concerns
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2025, 12:37:12 PM »
It's not just Israel vs. Iran. Several countries would benefit from the defeat of Iran. i.e. Saudi Arabia
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hvybarrels

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2025, 03:57:33 PM »
I'm over it.

If they could knock out the Mullahs in a few days then it might have been worth it, but the plan was for the bankers to suck us into another forever war now that Russia is mopping up the Ukraine.

First Trump said he didn't know anything. Turned out to be a lie.
Then he said the goal was ending the Iranian nuclear program. Another lie. The goal is actually regime change.

I voted for releasing the Epstein files, kicking out the invaders, auditing Fort Knox, national voter ID, balancing the budget, and no more forever wars.

It's pretty obvious Trump is compromised. Now we wait for the inevitable false flag, jump into another another losing war, and go bankrupt like some backwards third world dumpster fire of a nation.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2025, 04:00:17 PM »
I'm over it.

If they could knock out the Mullahs in a few days then it might have been worth it, but the plan was for the bankers to suck us into another forever war now that Russia is mopping up the Ukraine.

First Trump said he didn't know anything. Turned out to be a lie.
Then he said the goal was ending the Iranian nuclear program. Another lie. The goal is actually regime change.

I voted for releasing the Epstein files, kicking out the invaders, auditing Fort Knox, national voter ID, balancing the budget, and no more forever wars.

It's pretty obvious Trump is compromised. Now we wait for the inevitable false flag, jump into another another losing war, and go bankrupt like some backwards third world dumpster fire of a nation.

Um, have a nice day?   :geekdanc: :D
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2025, 04:19:34 PM »
Um, have a nice day?   :geekdanc: :D

Things have been happening so fast lately both worldwide and right here in the good ole USA that I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I decided to laugh. :rofl:  Everything is just nuts.

But I certainly understand this:

I'm over it.

If they could knock out the Mullahs in a few days then it might have been worth it, but the plan was for the bankers to suck us into another forever war now that Russia is mopping up the Ukraine.

First Trump said he didn't know anything. Turned out to be a lie.
Then he said the goal was ending the Iranian nuclear program. Another lie. The goal is actually regime change.

I voted for releasing the Epstein files, kicking out the invaders, auditing Fort Knox, national voter ID, balancing the budget, and no more forever wars.

It's pretty obvious Trump is compromised. Now we wait for the inevitable false flag, jump into another another losing war, and go bankrupt like some backwards third world dumpster fire of a nation.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2025, 04:26:18 PM »
Things have been happening so fast lately both worldwide and right here in the good ole USA that I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I decided to laugh. :rofl:  Everything is just nuts.

But I certainly understand this:
My reply was to make the point that no matter what's going on internationally day by day, there's nothing you as an average citizen can do at this moment in time to change it.

Might as well look at the bright side and enjoy the day.  Worrying about things we can't change reminds me of the Serenity Prayer:

God grant me the serenity
  to accept the things I cannot change;
the courage to change the things I can;
  and the wisdom to know the difference.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2025, 05:23:30 PM »
It's pretty obvious Trump is compromised. Now we wait for the inevitable false flag, jump into another losing war, and go bankrupt like some backwards third world dumpster fire of a nation.
Just like the JFK assassination, the failed assassination attempt on Trump prior to the election was his last warning to assent to the will of the Power Okole or get escorted or carried out sometime during his presidency.

I truly believed Trump would have made good on his promises, but it is clear he has all but given in to the US imperialists and neocons that want WWIII to destroy BRICS by first weakening Russia and China by proxy war and Iran by direct war.  This insane roll of the dice will not work and only end with potential millions of people dead and cities destroyed.  The Power Okole will survive of course and it's only everyone else that will die.

hvybarrels

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2025, 05:41:55 PM »
The Power Okole will survive of course and it's only everyone else that will die.

If they were smart then they would be building stuff that works and making our lives better instead of destroying everything.

The only possible benefit of this homicidal nonsense is if the real goal is to significantly cut off Chinas energy and pull the rug out from under their shaky economy so that the Chinese people can finally throw the CCP in the dumpster.

That would be a sensible reply for sponsoring riots, spreading fentanyl, and hacking our elections.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/kash-patel-reveals-china-may-have-plotted-to-flood-u-s-with-fake-mail-in-ballots-in-2020


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Jaco808

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2025, 06:38:15 PM »
I hope the USA teams up with Israel and destroys Iran.   Kill em terrorists.   Hopefully the old decent monarchy replaces it.   Don't think there is a chance for full democracy. 

zippz

Re: Israel vs Iran
« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2025, 06:43:24 AM »
US should stay out of the war and just supply Israel with munitions.  Israel is doing just fine on their own.  They could use the US help with a bunker buster, but they have other options like start a coup or assassinate the Ayatollah.