I know a k9 handler.
I'll ask him if it's OK to place a dog with a typical beat cop.
I  don't think they can do that.

It takes another form of training besides the regular one a typical beat cop receives.  Then add in that most also live with their dogs.  So adding more responsibility.  Then they also have special vehicles to house the dog.

This is why special K9 units exist and once cannot just take a trained dog with them for a random beat cop.

Not sure but I've always thought Handler and K-9 needs to train together and develop bonds and trust.

I never thought you can just thrust a trained K-9 with just any cop.  Especially ones that have a tendency to leave their firearms in toilets and rifles unattended during crisis situations.

Not sure but I've always thought Handler and K-9 needs to train together and develop bonds and trust.

I never thought you can just thrust a trained K-9 with just any cop.  Especially ones that have a tendency to leave their firearms in toilets and rifles unattended during crisis situations.

Lots of working dogs are trained by professional schools.  Only those with the temperament and adaptability to be a working dog will be sold as working dogs.

The dogs, once delivered to the "end users," will assign a handler.  That handler will usually be partnered with the same dog for the dog's total time working there unless there's an obvious incompatibility or one of the two is no longer part of that agency/department.

Once partnered, the handler will then work with the dog to develop the bond between them and practice the skills needed on the job. 

Police dog training that is used by the force usually come from one of two
places, either a private training facility that specializes in this field or the
police force has their own trainers on site. After the dog goes through this
training it is paired with the handler that will be with the dog almost 24/7
from here on. These handlers also need to be trained on how the dog was
trained and how to handle it to be the most effective in the field. This does
not mean you can't train your dog to do these specialized tasks, there are
protection dogs that specialize in basic patrol dog protection and are often
times either home trained or trained by professionals for civilians.

https://sitstay.com/blogs/good-dog-blog/police-dog-training-101

I know many US breeders sell their dogs to companies who supply working dogs to a variety of people and groups.  Many breeders/suppliers will have their dogs sent to Germany, the Netherlands, and other well-respected training locations to have the dogs trained.  Once completed, the trained dogs will be sold to police departments or whoever, with the dog already trained to do most required basic tasks and skills.  It's then up to the "end users" to continue the dog's training and bonding with an assigned handler, as well as making sure the handler is trained.

Apparently the US is not the only place that breeds ratchet behavior.

Cuban Ratchet in action at the airport!

She ordered $84+ of whatever at the Cuban Sandwich Co., but the manager said she didn't pay.  She signed the receipt with an $8 tip, but never left the cash.

The manager even re-printed the check without the tip.  She just wanted her to pay what she owed.

After a million lies that she paid, the cop whipped out the handcuffs.  Full stop -- 180 degrees -- "I got the money! I'll pay!!  I'll pay!  Let me go!  I'll pay whatever!  I just want to go home!!!"

S#!^ gets real when the cuffs come out!     I don't think her mouth stopped the entire video.

A friend of mine was in the AIr Force and worked with their top K9. It was a Belgian something that looked like a German Shepard. He wasn't the handler, but the guy who cleans the poop. His MOS was military police.  He got to feel first hand what it feels like to be bit by that dog while wearing the dog suit.  He was amazed at the strength from a non puncturing bite. 

A friend of mine was in the AIr Force and worked with their top K9. It was a Belgian something that looked like a German Shepard. He wasn't the handler, but the guy who cleans the poop. His MOS was military police.  He got to feel first hand what it feels like to be bit by that dog while wearing the dog suit.  He was amazed at the strength from a non puncturing bite.

There are at least 4 Belgian Shepherd breeds that are used as working dogs:  Malinois, Tervuren, Laekenois, and Groenendael.

The bite force of a German Shepherd Dog (GSD) is approximately 238 pounds per square inch (PSI), making it one of the strongest among dog breeds.  The bite force of the Belgian Malinois is 195 PSI.  The American Pit Bull is in between at 235 PSI which is just below a GSD by 3 PSI.

On a side note to this side subject, German Shepherd Dogs have an exceptional sense of smell, with about 220 million scent receptors, making them capable of detecting scents 10,000 to 100,000 times better than humans.

One of the reasons police stopped using Rottweilers is because of their 328 lbs bite force.  That is enough to crush and break human bones.

In addition, Shepherds and Malinois’ are easier to train and have a longer attention span.  I had a GSD before, but I like Rotties more.

Cops have a lot of options...Pepper spray, Tasers, Batons, less lethal shotgun, take downs, beat downs, etc.  Problem with tranquilizers is you have to administer the proper dose.  And any drugs or alcohol in the system, and medical issues, can lead to severe complications.  Tasers and other stuff can cause complications too, but tranquilizers seems like it would have more problems.

Exactly.
A nurse friend has worked in multiple ERs. He explained to me that when the cops bring in a crazy person for mental health evaluation and the guy is combative they give them a shot but the shot actually contains 3 drugs. The first knocks the person out, and the 2nd and 3rd drugs are to counteract the side effects. When someone is really high they increase the dose of the sedative drug. They are also doing it in the safety of an ER where they can respond quickly with adverse reactions.

A tranq dart does sound awesome and maybe could be developed someday to be as safe or safer than a Taser. I suspect it is not as easy as it sounds otherwise someone would have made it the next Taser by now.

Exactly.
A nurse friend has worked in multiple ERs. He explained to me that when the cops bring in a crazy person for mental health evaluation and the guy is combative they give them a shot but the shot actually contains 3 drugs. The first knocks the person out, and the 2nd and 3rd drugs are to counteract the side effects. When someone is really high they increase the dose of the sedative drug. They are also doing it in the safety of an ER where they can respond quickly with adverse reactions.

A tranq dart does sound awesome and maybe could be developed someday to be as safe or safer than a Taser. I suspect it is not as easy as it sounds otherwise someone would have made it the next Taser by now.

You're quick to shoot down the dart suggestion, but so far you've not offered a single suggestion of your own.

Are you telling us you have absolutely no ideas for improving the ability of Cops to effectively and safely deal with people like this?

https://youtube.com/shorts/1x_L2lYyHoE

To be fair, it's not just Black women who ratchet up to 1,000+++ for no reason.

i really think a way to knock someone out who acts like this would prevent injuries to themselves and to others.

Tell us you're from New York before telling us you're from New York!

All this over being assigned a middle seat?  Her reward: the whole back seat of the police car to herself!   

If tranquilizers are off the table, how about straight jackets, muzzles and laws that prohibit talking to officers above a certain decibel level over ambient sound?  If you're yelling over traffic, that's okay up to a certain level.  Screaming at the top of you lungs is probably not okay.  Some of this videos of idiots screaming are giving me PTSD ... and i know it's just a recording!

You're quick to shoot down the dart suggestion, but so far you've not offered a single suggestion of your own.

Are you telling us you have absolutely no ideas for improving the ability of Cops to effectively and safely deal with people like this?

https://youtube.com/shorts/1x_L2lYyHoE

Not to shoot it down so much as to show why the risk might is probably not be worth the reward.

It isn't a terrible idea to start with but I wouldn't handle it out to officers. Maybe a better idea would be give it to paramedics and when they are called for a mental health situation they could deploy the tranq dart.

Not to shoot it down so much as to show why the risk might is probably not be worth the reward.

It isn't a terrible idea to start with but I wouldn't handle it out to officers. Maybe a better idea would be give it to paramedics and when they are called for a mental health situation they could deploy the tranq dart.

Tell me you're shooting down an idea while arguing that you're not shooting it down.

How is saying the risk is greater than the reward NOT shooting it down?  Are you simply trying to be noncommittal even though you have an opposing opinion?

Is it SOP to have paramedics show up for every belligerent, out-of-control, loud mouth, ratchet subject?  I don't think so.  Therefore, the question remains -- 

Are you telling us you have absolutely no ideas for improving the ability of Cops, not paramedics, to effectively and safely deal with people like this?  Is your answer to dispatch paramedics, who might have higher priority medical emergencies, to disturbances just to supply the officers with a safer dose of tranquilizer?  Seems like a waste of resources.  You know -- more cost than reward.

Tell me you're shooting down an idea while arguing that you're not shooting it down.


How is saying the risk is greater than the reward NOT shooting it down?  Are you simply trying to be noncommittal even though you have an opposing opinion?

It isn't my fault you came up with a short sighted idea. If I were just shooting down your idea for the sake of it I wouldn't suggest a better way of implementing your idea. No reason to be offended here, are you familiar with the term constructive criticism? 

Is it SOP to have paramedics show up for every belligerent, out-of-control, loud mouth, ratchet subject?  I don't think so.  Therefore, the question remains -- 

If only there was a way to change SOPs..... Plus it's not like they would need to come out to every case by policy, it could be an option available if the officer thought it appropriate to request.

Are you telling us you have absolutely no ideas for improving the ability of Cops, not paramedics, to effectively and safely deal with people like this?  Is your answer to dispatch paramedics, who might have higher priority medical emergencies, to disturbances just to supply the officers with a safer dose of tranquilizer?  Seems like a waste of resources.  You know -- more cost than reward.

So you are trying to defend your short sighted idea by attacking me for not presenting you with alternative ideas? Why must I give you some better option just because I explained why yours was not a good one?

It isn't my fault you came up with a short sighted idea. If I were just shooting down your idea for the sake of it I wouldn't suggest a better way of implementing your idea. No reason to be offended here, are you familiar with the term constructive criticism? 


If only there was a way to change SOPs..... Plus it's not like they would need to come out to every case by policy, it could be an option available if the officer thought it appropriate to request.


So you are trying to defend your short sighted idea by attacking me for not presenting you with alternative ideas? Why must I give you some better option just because I explained why yours was not a good one?

-- Are you seriously of the impression that a cop at the scene trying to deal with a person such as the ones in these videos has to show up, spend a bunch of time to try and resolve the call, then after deciding they can't calm the person down, they must then suffer the individual's behavior until paramedics find the time to get there?  is that your suggestion?

-- Show me where i'm defending my original proposal.  i never said it was a solution, just that it could be a better alternative than trying to physically subdue a subject physically which puts both the cop and subject at risk of significant injury.

I also never said you must provide a better option.  i simply pointed out the obvious fact that you are commenting against my proposal and not offering up any other alternatives.  I'd think you of all members here would be interested in this thought experiment, as it might actually relate to your job more than others'.

i hope you spent at least some time watching the videos.  Maybe that can help you contribute more to the discussion than what we're seeing.

The more body cam videos I watch of arrests where screaming, out-of-control morons take a simple traffic stop and turn it into multiple felonies, the more I'm convinced the cops aren't using lethal force often enough. 

They aren't all in the same demographic group we associate with this behavior, but I must not be finding all the other videos with white Catholic High School girls turning into the Tasmanian Devil just because "she dint do nuthin."  i see plenty of European descendants causing problems in airports and restaurants, but it's normally because they are wasted.  When the officer asks, "Do you know why i stopped you?" they normally don't say, "Because you're bored!!" and then start screaming at full volume that they did not drive how you witnessed them drive.

 

BTW, the top 4 things I hear from women while resisting arrest are:

1.  I didn't do anything wrong (and all its variants);
2.  I need to call my [mommy, daddy, boyfriend, husband, lawyer, ...];
3.  I can't breathe! (even though they are screaming at the top of their lungs -- doesn't that require breathing?); and
4.  I'm pregnant!

#4 begs the question, then why are you starting a fight and resisting arrest?  Compliance seems to be a smarter choice for someone who's pregnant and wishes to avoid hurting the fetus.  Most of the ones yelling this don't look close to pregnant, and i'm hearing it in more and more videos.  Either it's a lie, or someone's not getting free Planned Parenthood abortions anymore!

Just observations and opinions.  But it's good to know what's happening out there.  Those body cams are protecting officers, the justice system and providing non-stop entertainment.  Great use of tax payer funds! 

 

-- Are you seriously of the impression that a cop at the scene trying to deal with a person such as the ones in these videos has to show up, spend a bunch of time to try and resolve the call, then after deciding they can't calm the person down, they must then suffer the individual's behavior until paramedics find the time to get there?  is that your suggestion?

-- Show me where i'm defending my original proposal.  i never said it was a solution, just that it could be a better alternative than trying to physically subdue a subject physically which puts both the cop and subject at risk of significant injury.

I also never said you must provide a better option.  i simply pointed out the obvious fact that you are commenting against my proposal and not offering up any other alternatives.  I'd think you of all members here would be interested in this thought experiment, as it might actually relate to your job more than others'.

i hope you spent at least some time watching the videos.  Maybe that can help you contribute more to the discussion than what we're seeing.

It all depends on the situation (of course). Is there an urgent need to get the person under control or are they in an area where they can stand and scream their face off without harming anyone until paramedics can arrive? If there is time then sure, paramedics can be called prior to intervention. Sometimes cops end up making a situation worse by moving in to control using force when there was no exigency, for example someone sitting in their room with a knife to their own throat. If we can wait 3-5 minutes for a tranq dart to take affect then we can probably get an ambulance on scene by waiting a few more minutes, otherwise there are all the standard less lethal options.

I am interested in that thought experiment but what I mentioned is a big reason I would not recommend that option, at least not to be utilized by officers alone.  I wish I had some other magic bullet idea, I could certainly make a lot of money if I did, but I just don't know that such a thing exists. Maybe someday we will have phasers with a stun setting. The tasers seem to have made a huge leap in reducing injury in officers and in suspects but there is always room to improve that if people are still getting hurt. I am interested in exploring new types of discomfort to gain compliance than standard pain compliance. There were some interesting ideas I have seen explored before.

BTW, the top 4 things I hear from women while resisting arrest are:......

On an interesting and useful related note, statistically, women are more likely to assault officers than men are when looked at the number of arrest/detainment interactions. Overall men make up a higher total number but women are disproportionately more likely to attack an officer.

When one woman at a 24-hour car wash turns a simple request to leave after 3 hours into a broadway production with at last 8 cops.