1.  Restrict shooters on the silly range from collecting their (or others') brass to keep.  Have them place brass in cans or buckets for the range to sell.  Most ranges on the mainland are that way -- leave all spent brass after sweeping it up.  Helps keep range fees affordable.

2.  Set up a mini pro shop to sell range supplies like paper targets for the bullseye ranges, target stands, safety gear, etc.  There are lots of people posting how there are few gun shops they can buy things on their way to the range especially on weekends.  There are also people bringing first time shooters as guests who might need such basic supplies.  It provides a service and can be profitable.  Ammo would be a money maker, but i'm not sure about the details of being allowed to do that. As an option, let a LGS be the supplier and keep a portion of sales for the range expenses.  That would help the range by not requiring an initial investment to start it up.

3.  Rent target frames for a small fee + deposit.  If the stand is returned in usable condition, the deposit gets returned.  If not, the deposit pays for a replacement.

Awesome free market suggestions - hope someone with authority in said club is listening and will get folks to roll up sleeves.  I am not the least involved (or knowledgeable) in this space, but would definitely get involved as a volunteer to get this going again for our shooting community!

Awesome free market suggestions - hope someone with authority in said club is listening and will get folks to roll up sleeves.  I am not the least involved (or knowledgeable) in this space, but would definitely get involved as a volunteer to get this going again for our shooting community!

I set up a gedunk (Navy term for a snack bar) at a couple of my offices.  Prices were much less than the vending machines, and we bought the brands and flavors we preferred.

I fronted the money for a 6 cu ft mini fridge and the initial stock -- sodas, chips, other snack foods, frozen lunch entrees (burritos, ...), etc ....  went to Costco or Sam's Club once or twice a month for a full restock plus stops on my way home for things we ran out of between those trips. 

After 3 months, we had enough to refund my initial costs to make it self-sustaining.  We were also making enough to pay for a monthly Friday afternoon office social -- beer, sodas, burgers, hotdogs, chips, charcoal, lighter fluid, buns, condiments, etc.  We had many "gedunk customers" from other offices frequenting the snack bar, so the profits rolled in pretty quickly.  The socials, however, were for our office personnel only.  Anyone else who wished to hang out paid $4 for their food and $1 per water, soda or adult beverage.  We always bought extra for the little picnics, so we didn't have to turn anyone away.  Leftovers were kept for next time if they didn't expire or spoil.  Burgers, dogs and buns were cooked up the next week for an office lunch.

What I'm getting at is, with just a little planning and several people helping out, the ideas i posted will be much easier since there's no refrigeration or cooking. 

 

I dunno why the City is not helping or being more cooperative.  Actually, I have a hunch as to why.

All part of the long term goal.  Turn that crater into a pickle ball complex with overflow to the ever profitable Hanauma bay tourist trap.

Just my opinion.  Remember when the shooting range used to open on holidays?

Like a frog in slowly boiling water..........

I set up a gedunk (Navy term for a snack bar) at a couple of my offices.  Prices were much less than the vending machines, and we bought the brands and flavors we preferred.

I fronted the money for a 6 cu ft mini fridge and the initial stock -- sodas, chips, other snack foods, frozen lunch entrees (burritos, ...), etc ....  went to Costco or Sam's Club once or twice a month for a full restock plus stops on my way home for things we ran out of between those trips. 

After 3 months, we had enough to refund my initial costs to make it self-sustaining.  We were also making enough to pay for a monthly Friday afternoon office social -- beer, sodas, burgers, hotdogs, chips, charcoal, lighter fluid, buns, condiments, etc.  We had many "gedunk customers" from other offices frequenting the snack bar, so the profits rolled in pretty quickly.  The socials, however, were for our office personnel only.  Anyone else who wished to hang out paid $4 for their food and $1 per water, soda or adult beverage.  We always bought extra for the little picnics, so we didn't have to turn anyone away.  Leftovers were kept for next time if they didn't expire or spoil.  Burgers, dogs and buns were cooked up the next week for an office lunch.

What I'm getting at is, with just a little planning and several people helping out, the ideas i posted will be much easier since there's no refrigeration or cooking. 

 

I wonder who we can talk to, to generate some kind of movement on something like this, etc.?

I set up a gedunk (Navy term for a snack bar) at a couple of my offices.  Prices were much less than the vending machines, and we bought the brands and flavors we preferred.

I fronted the money for a 6 cu ft mini fridge and the initial stock -- sodas, chips, other snack foods, frozen lunch entrees (burritos, ...), etc ....  went to Costco or Sam's Club once or twice a month for a full restock plus stops on my way home for things we ran out of between those trips. 

After 3 months, we had enough to refund my initial costs to make it self-sustaining.  We were also making enough to pay for a monthly Friday afternoon office social -- beer, sodas, burgers, hotdogs, chips, charcoal, lighter fluid, buns, condiments, etc.  We had many "gedunk customers" from other offices frequenting the snack bar, so the profits rolled in pretty quickly.  The socials, however, were for our office personnel only.  Anyone else who wished to hang out paid $4 for their food and $1 per water, soda or adult beverage.  We always bought extra for the little picnics, so we didn't have to turn anyone away.  Leftovers were kept for next time if they didn't expire or spoil.  Burgers, dogs and buns were cooked up the next week for an office lunch.

What I'm getting at is, with just a little planning and several people helping out, the ideas i posted will be much easier since there's no refrigeration or cooking. 

 

Being that it's a City park selling drinks and food stuffs will run afoul with the Handicapped vendors that operate on city property. I would bet that the soda machine on the rifle side is operated by them.  I worked for the city and our Planners office sold soft drinks to raise money for their Christmas party fund.  After almost a year they had to stop selling because of the blind/handicapped vendors.

Being that it's a City park selling drinks and food stuffs will run afoul with the Handicapped vendors that operate on city property. I would bet that the soda machine on the rifle side is operated by them.  I worked for the city and our Planners office sold soft drinks to raise money for their Christmas party fund.  After almost a year they had to stop selling because of the blind/handicapped vendors.

I'm sure the "normal" concessions are awarded to bidders, and there are protections to prevent competition.

I think you got my point, however.  i'm not suggesting a food & beverage concession.  I'm just using my experience to show how easy it can be to get it started and have it become self-sustaining without any out-of-pocket costs.  That's more true if a LGS (or a couple?) offer to provide the merchandise with no money up front.  If nobody wants to buy, they can retrieve their merchandise with no loss other than time and maybe some gas -- all deductible business expenses.

There may be (probably will be) paperwork to get approval to conduct sales, but since they were already charging for use of that range plus food, I'd say there's a precedent that they can operate a small supply store without stepping on too many toes.  in fact, if they only do the frame rental idea, there's no sales -- just rentals.

 

Being that it's a City park selling drinks and food stuffs will run afoul with the Handicapped vendors that operate on city property. I would bet that the soda machine on the rifle side is operated by them.  I worked for the city and our Planners office sold soft drinks to raise money for their Christmas party fund.  After almost a year they had to stop selling because of the blind/handicapped vendors.

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That soda machine was removed years ago.
The city also removed/prohibited the bulletin boards where clubs could post announcements and people could put up buy-sell messages.

Any new information?

No

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That soda machine was removed years ago.
The city also removed/prohibited the bulletin boards where clubs could post announcements and people could put up buy-sell messages.

My guess is the machine was removed because the range was closed for such a long time and the vendor was losing money servicing a machine that was not producing sales.

The bulletin board removal makes zero sense.  There was a lot of useful range information posted there besides ads and club announcements.

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The city also removed/prohibited the bulletin boards where clubs could post announcements and people could put up buy-sell messages.

They killed the 1A. Gee I wonder what's next....

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That soda machine was removed years ago.
The city also removed/prohibited the bulletin boards where clubs could post announcements and people could put up buy-sell messages.

They killed the 1A. Gee I wonder what's next....

Pickle Ball Court and overflow for the ever popular ever profitable Hanauma Bay tourist trap.