went there saturday and has sign at the desk P320 not allowed

Sorry not up to date…why was the Sig P320 banned?  Don’t they still sell this gun in the local gun shops?

Sorry not up to date…why was the Sig P320 banned?  Don’t they still sell this gun in the local gun shops?

They are getting banned because if you wiggle the slide side to side it will fire! People been getting shot and the military version killed a soldier!
Police department are moving back to glock only a matter of time before the military does the same or makes SIG fix the problem

story about air force guy has changed
now a negligent discharge from another airman...

They are getting banned because if you wiggle the slide side to side it will fire! People been getting shot and the military version killed a soldier!
Police department are moving back to glock only a matter of time before the military does the same or makes SIG fix the problem

story about air force guy has changed
now a negligent discharge from another airman...

Amazing what money can do.

My opinion, of course.

They are getting banned because if you wiggle the slide side to side it will fire!

The internal parts have to ALSO be out of spec when the slide wiggles.

Here’s the  original channel that could repeatedly replicate the issue.

https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk?si=zWJfUY7FqLp9AWFj

Here’s the  original channel that could repeatedly replicate the issue.

https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk?si=zWJfUY7FqLp9AWFj

While I tend to trust everything i see on the interweb, it's not out of the realm of reality for ....

1.  That specific firearm to have a manufacturing defect that isn't a problem wit all P320s, or

2.  Someone has a motive for altering their P320 in order to get clicks and/or grind some axe they hold against SIG.

Just saying, don't jump to conclusions based on one P320 in one unvalidated video.  Other videos may also be a problem with a small percentage of P320s and not a flaw inherent in the entire product line.

From my searches, i see one stat that 100+ reports of unintentional discharges with 80 injuries.  I also find that at least 2.5 million have been sold.

100 / 2.5M = 0.004%

I'm not saying if that's significant or not.  Just that in any manufacturing, there's usually a certain percentage of defects.  Just, in this case, the possible defect may be causing the thing to fire.  On the scale of safety issues, that's something that should be thoroughly investigated in a controlled environment from a statistically significant sample size.  So far, if SIG is doing that, I've not seen the report.

BTW, the CDC says 16,000 accidental firearm injuries occur each year in the U.S.  Many of these reports are of police shootings where , as an example, the officer may be tryng to restrain a suspect with one hand while holding his sidearm in the other.

100 / 16,000 = 6.25%

It's possible that the P320 issue is overblown, like Flapp said the pistol has been out for nearly a decade with millions made and the issue being made only now.  On the other hand, having stock pistols go off in holsters is an issue even if it is remote.  We trust the gun is safe in a holster.

The bigger issue is SIG is handling this issue very poorly.  Very secretive and not being up front like other manufacturers.  Not addressing the discharges caught on video.  The "it ends today".  And calling the initial trigger issue fix an "upgrade" versus a recall.  No one can trust Sig and their good reputation is going down a cliff.

The reason ranges and instructors are banning P320s is liability even if they don't think it's a big issue.  If a person is injured by a P320 discharging and the range/instructor allowed the pistols knowing about the past incidents, they could be held liable in a lawsuit.

It's possible that the P320 issue is overblown, like Flapp said the pistol has been out for nearly a decade with millions made and the issue being made only now.  On the other hand, having stock pistols go off in holsters is an issue even if it is remote.  We trust the gun is safe in a holster.

The bigger issue is SIG is handling this issue very poorly.  Very secretive and not being up front like other manufacturers.  Not addressing the discharges caught on video.  The "it ends today".  And calling the initial trigger issue fix an "upgrade" versus a recall.  No one can trust Sig and their good reputation is going down a cliff.

The reason ranges and instructors are banning P320s is liability even if they don't think it's a big issue.  If a person is injured by a P320 discharging and the range/instructor allowed the pistols knowing about the past incidents, they could be held liable in a lawsuit.

Actually, "a" problem was identified early in the model's life.  The P320 was introduced to market in 2014 (I got one from OGC when they first got them in -- and it was discounted!  ).  In 2017, SIG offered a voluntary "upgrade" service free to all early P320 purchasers.  i sent mine in for that.  The 2 big differences i noticed were the beefy trigger was replaced by a very thin trigger to reduce its weight.  Part of the theory was that at a certain height and angle, the trigger could continue traveling after the gun stops as it strikes the floor due to inertia.  The other thing i noticed was it no longer had an audible "clickl" when pulling the trigger whether or not the striker was in firing position -- like you see on TV shows when some sound guy adds a click for each pull of the trigger on an empty Glock   .  it sounded more like a Glock after the upgrade when pulling the trigger on an uncocked pistol:  quiet.

So, while i can't say for sure the cause is the same, the symptoms have been known for over 8 years.  Did SIG replace a few parts as a work-around to treat the symptoms as they were being reported, or did they continue testing to see where a real problem might exist? 

There was a video i saw that says a former SIG employee submitted a patent application to address this specific issue of uncommanded discharges in P320s.  i think that was in 2016, just before the voluntary upgrades.  My conspiracy side is trying to tell me that SIG chose not to fix the problem properly because the former employee is asking for half a billion dollars to let then use his solution.  if he was given the patent, those normally are enforced for 7 years.  2025 - 2016 = 9.  If it took over 2 years to process and make official, or if SIG fought the patent application due to the guy being a former employee (proprietary knowledge), the patent may be expiring now, and SIG might all of a sudden announce they have a fix!

i think it's just now getting the amount of press it is because it's been issued to so many law enforcement and military members, and because SIG is continuing to tell us the gun has no defects that would cause the discharges people have reported or 'replicated" -- just like you said: handling it poorly.

I've been a firearm owners ince 2016 or so.  This is the only stock gun I've seen that had this many issues.  Granted, they sell a lot so even a small percentage means a lot of guns compared to a gun that only sold 1/5 of the volume of the P320.

Prior to 2016, has any other handgun have this many issues?

Do you give the drop firing thing a pass since it was a 1st gen problem?  Have other gen 1 pistols had similar firings?  Like the VP9, if you dropped it the same way, all you have is a dead trigger. No round fires. So biggie.

I was told that the 1911 added in the grip safety. IDK how true this is.

Then if you expand this to the shotgun that still hasn't been totally solved with "cruiser ready" aka no round in the chamber cause hitting hard pot hole or the car getting into an accident can fire the shotty if there's a round in the chamber.

Here’s the  original channel that could repeatedly replicate the issue.

https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk?si=zWJfUY7FqLp9AWFj

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I didn't watch the entire video because I could not stand watching that dude constantly putting his hand in front of the muzzle. Remember that this is supposed to be a gun that sort of goes off by itself.

Prior to 2016, has any other handgun have this many issues?

Then if you expand this to the shotgun that still hasn't been totally solved with "cruiser ready" aka no round in the chamber cause hitting hard pot hole or the car getting into an accident can fire the shotty if there's a round in the chamber.

Remington Rifles had the big trigger recall even though it wasn't really their fault.  It was people doing modifications and adjustments incorrectly.

AR15s are also carried cruiser ready in vehicles due to the floating firing pin.  Racking a round from the long gun received from a car isn't much of an issue cause you usually have time to do so.  Different carrying a pistol unchambered as split seconds count when you need it.

I've been a firearm owners ince 2016 or so.  This is the only stock gun I've seen that had this many issues.  Granted, they sell a lot so even a small percentage means a lot of guns compared to a gun that only sold 1/5 of the volume of the P320.

Prior to 2016, has any other handgun have this many issues?

Do you give the drop firing thing a pass since it was a 1st gen problem?  Have other gen 1 pistols had similar firings?  Like the VP9, if you dropped it the same way, all you have is a dead trigger. No round fires. So biggie.

I was told that the 1911 added in the grip safety. IDK how true this is.

Then if you expand this to the shotgun that still hasn't been totally solved with "cruiser ready" aka no round in the chamber cause hitting hard pot hole or the car getting into an accident can fire the shotty if there's a round in the chamber.

Glock has issued a number of safety notices, voluntary replacement programs and recalls on many of their pistols.  Everything from the entire drop safety parts to the ejector and recoil action spring have been recalled in certain models and usually only affecting certain serial numbered pistols.  Some of the problems are minor, but some are also very serious. 

I think the real question is more about SIG's response given the potential for loss of life or serious injury. 

been wanting to pick up a p320 for cheap now, but anyone noticed the ones on classified ones are " dead links" or not working

been wanting to pick up a p320 for cheap now, but anyone noticed the ones on classified ones are " dead links" or not working

I notice one or two ads are not being displayed due to an internal error.  Lots of other P320 ads display without any problem.

What do you consider "cheap?"

if you have a problem with a specific ad, try using PM (DM) to contact the OP.  if they can't fix the problem, they can send you the information via email or provide a link if they listed it elsewhere..

been wanting to pick up a p320 for cheap now, but anyone noticed the ones on classified ones are " dead links" or not working

Aim Surplus has LE tradeins for $299 right now.  I might hold out a little longer cuz i know theres more coming

How long does it take the feds to get their stuff on the market?

Was there yesterday and over heard a conversation with one of the range officers and the gentleman shooting next to me that it is banned because a p320 went off by itself at Kokohead.  I did not interject myself into the convo or can confirm how true that statement is, but was disappointed to see a lot of people jump on the band wagon to ban the firearm.  I have owned a p320 with no issues.  Does not fire by itself.  Is not stock and not mortified.