Can we make 2011’s standard duty pistol instead?

Can we make 2011’s standard duty pistol instead?

It has only been 10 years since HPD switched to Glock 17's.  Maybe they can switch back?

The gun's age doesn't even matter as much as how much use they have seen.  Even if wear and tear becomes an issue, replacement parts like barrels and slides are cheaper than a new gun.  Plus, they always have NIB spares they can use to replace well-worn pistols.

I'm starting to wonder about the justification for a replacement program and going to a different brand.  It seems like accessories, holsters, etc., would be less expensive if we just replaced the current G17's with new g17's.

The prior service weapon, a S&W 9mm, was procured and issued in 1990.  They remained the issue sidearm until 2015.  25 years of service seems like a better return on investment than 10 years.

That’s a lot of used p320s about to flood the market.

Might be worth looking for deals and getting the voluntary upgrade

Gunsmiths say the issue still happens after the upgrade. Still might be worth the gamble if someone figures out a solution or sig eventually offers an enticing trade in program.

I'm starting to wonder about the justification for a replacement program and going to a different brand.  It seems like accessories, holsters, etc., would be less expensive if we just replaced the current G17's with new g17's.

The pistol and replacement gear are small costs.  The pistol has to be tested and evaluated, gunsmiths and instructors trained, and officers have a week of transition training on the firearm.  That equals to about $3k to $4k per officer.  It also means less officer coverage and other tasks not done during that time

The pistol and replacement gear are small costs.  The pistol has to be tested and evaluated, gunsmiths and instructors trained, and officers have a week of transition training on the firearm.  That equals to about $3k to $4k per officer.  It also means less officer coverage and other tasks not done during that time

Thanks for elaborating on my 'etc.'.   

Solution for the P320:

Israeli carry.

It has only been 10 years since HPD switched to Glock 17's.  Maybe they can switch back?

The gun's age doesn't even matter as much as how much use they have seen.  Even if wear and tear becomes an issue, replacement parts like barrels and slides are cheaper than a new gun.  Plus, they always have NIB spares they can use to replace well-worn pistols.

I'm starting to wonder about the justification for a replacement program and going to a different brand.  It seems like accessories, holsters, etc., would be less expensive if we just replaced the current G17's with new g17's.

The prior service weapon, a S&W 9mm, was procured and issued in 1990.  They remained the issue sidearm until 2015.  25 years of service seems like a better return on investment than 10 years.

I remember HPD"s statement on the 5906 is that spare parts are no longer made. 

I remember HPD"s statement on the 5906 is that spare parts are no longer made.

Maybe the Glock doesn't shoot as well as the SIG (my opinion as well), so they wanted to jump on the P320 bandwagon along with the military and other LE agencies?

When they switched to Glock, the news stated the city "replaced them [S&W] with lighter and easier-to-use Glock 17s that cost about half as much as the Smith & Wessons."

Apparently they were looking at ease of use when they chose the Glock, but that's subjective.

Solution for the P320:

Israeli carry.

If you can pick up brand new or gently used one in the hundred dollar range that would be worth the extra bit of training

Can we make 2011’s standard duty pistol instead?

That would double or triple the cost based on most 2011's I saw

That would double or triple the cost based on most 2011's I saw

Which 2011s? How much did SIG charge the govt. on that contract?

Which 2011s? How much did SIG charge the govt. on that contract?

Saw a number of brands near $1000 and up from there. Are there any good 2011s available for $500-600 of a glock?

Saw a number of brands near $1000 and up from there. Are there any good 2011s available for $500-600 of a glock?

Which brands? and how do you know it would up the cost 2x or 3x without knowing what the govt. paid?

Apparently the govt paid $178 each for the p320s.

That might be the problem right there.

Apparently the govt paid $178 each for the p320s.

That might be the problem right there.

Yep. 
Too late to start selling P320 holsters made of Kevlar?

 

Why the Army LOVES Sig Sauer and DENIED Glock

The defining feature of the competition was modularity. The Army wanted a
handgun system that could adapt to various roles, transitioning seamlessly
between full-size, compact, and subcompact configurations. This wasn’t just
a bonus – it was a fundamental requirement. Sig Sauer’s P320 excelled here,
offering a removable trigger package that could be swapped between different
frames and slides. In contrast, Glock’s 19X struggled to meet this standard.

https://www.survivalworld.com/military/why-the-army-loves-sig-sauer-and-denied-glock/

Starting to look more like a case of Procurement Requirements drafted to favor a particular vendor's submission.

Which brands? and how do you know it would up the cost 2x or 3x without knowing what the govt. paid?

I am comparing MSRPs. Of course the government would get a bulk discount but that would hold true for a glock as well.

Are you aware of any 2011 brands cheap enough that they could bulk price anywhere near the bulk price of a glock?

I am comparing MSRPs. Of course the government would get a bulk discount but that would hold true for a glock as well.

Are you aware of any 2011 brands cheap enough that they could bulk price anywhere near the bulk price of a glock?

You said you saw "brands" which ones?

You said you saw "brands" which ones?

Stocatto, Taryn Tactical, Wilson Combat, Springfield.

Stocatto, Taryn Tactical, Wilson Combat, Springfield.

Taryn Tactical, Wilson Combat, Springfield don't make "2011s"