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Westside_Redneck

Whipshot compound bow?
« on: August 18, 2025, 10:44:35 AM »
I have been considering getting a real compound bow for sometime as a viable alternative to all the red tape around here that's required to get one firearm. Biggest problem with compound bow is the reloading for follow up shots and the lack of firearm sighting tools

Enter the Whipshot, it's an accessory that you can attach to your compound bow or the compound bow that comes with it.

Limited to 6 arrows per load but I don't plan to fight a whole gang worth of people at once, would fire this from a safe room if there's multiple people.

https://youtube.com/shorts/7JbhYipaf1c?feature=shared


What do you think? Can I use something like this here for a lethal home defense option without registration requirements from our local banana republik?

Also legally speaking can they call this a crossbow or not, just curious?

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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2025, 02:10:08 PM »
Well, I don't see any prohibition against it in HRS 134-51 dangerous weapons ... looks like you could even open carry it ...

However let me make this pitch to you:

Word is, Mayor Balngiardi generates a seriously bad crop of hemorrhoids when he sees the number of concealed carry permits moving up, and this is why he orders HPD to just sit (pun intended) on the applications for at least 90 days - in the hope that the pain and swelling will gradually subside....

We, on the other hand, would really like to see this sucker having to take a truck inner tube everywhere he goes just to be able to sit down for a few minutes.

It is in this spirit that I'd like to suggest to you that a great sidearm that you could also concealed carry if you so choose, would be a much better option on this increasingly violent rock.  Adding a concealed carry application is not hard, and you'd be doing your fellow westside rednecks proud by hitting big daddy-o where it really, really frickin hurts him.

Just a friendly suggestion.

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Westside_Redneck

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2025, 03:22:19 PM »
Well, I don't see any prohibition against it in HRS 134-51 dangerous weapons ... looks like you could even open carry it ...

However let me make this pitch to you:

Word is, Mayor Balngiardi generates a seriously bad crop of hemorrhoids when he sees the number of concealed carry permits moving up, and this is why he orders HPD to just sit (pun intended) on the applications for at least 90 days - in the hope that the pain and swelling will gradually subside....

We, on the other hand, would really like to see this sucker having to take a truck inner tube everywhere he goes just to be able to sit down for a few minutes.

It is in this spirit that I'd like to suggest to you that a great sidearm that you could also concealed carry if you so choose, would be a much better option on this increasingly violent rock.  Adding a concealed carry application is not hard, and you'd be doing your fellow westside rednecks proud by hitting big daddy-o where it really, really frickin hurts him.

Just a friendly suggestion.

I would apply for a sidearm, but given the ongoing court battles as well as the state shifting the goalposts about sensitive places and testing requirements to get a CC permit. Not to mention all the talks about federal-level action against anti-2Apolicies across various states, it seemed best to "wait and see" before applying.

I am on another island, and it would be nice to know if I should apply for a concealed carry permit on my island. Can I legally carry my sidearm when I visit Oahu or the Big Island? (It would be better if there was nationwide reciprocity for permits).


Another thing that's really influencing my decision is that I don't need to have my weapon existing on a local police database somewhere with my fingerprints and my home address are included as well. I would rather not be a target should either our government or our state be invaded by an enemy force and they look up who's got the weapons (Red Dawn reference).

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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2025, 05:08:52 PM »
I would apply for a sidearm, but given the ongoing court battles as well as the state shifting the goalposts about sensitive places and testing requirements to get a CC permit. Not to mention all the talks about federal-level action against anti-2Apolicies across various states, it seemed best to "wait and see" before applying.

I am on another island, and it would be nice to know if I should apply for a concealed carry permit on my island. Can I legally carry my sidearm when I visit Oahu or the Big Island? (It would be better if there was nationwide reciprocity for permits).


Another thing that's really influencing my decision is that I don't need to have my weapon existing on a local police database somewhere with my fingerprints and my home address are included as well. I would rather not be a target should either our government or our state be invaded by an enemy force and they look up who's got the weapons (Red Dawn reference).
Sorry - but to the best of my knowledge, each county is its own kingdom with respect to permitting / CCW.

That’s how the Khmer Rouge rolls out here.

Bows are awesome though!  I had a beautiful recurve as a kid in New Mexico made by Grove Archery - lived right next to them.  They are long gone.

However, seems you could practice anywhere, no one will know.

Get something you could use like in the movie Deliverance, through the neck a 100 yards away kind of thing.  Go all the way!
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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2025, 04:32:56 PM »
Those things cost about $600. 

If I was really expecting to shoot an intruder, I think it would be better to go thru the red tape and get semi auto rifle or shotgun.   I recently picked up a used Springfield Victor AR with Holosun red dot and Holosun magnifier for $400 and a used semi auto shotgun for $150

If 4 full mags are kept with the AR that is 120 rds.  The shotgun is 6+1 of 12 ga.

So for $50 less than a 6 shot compound bow….. the AR and shotgun can spew out 21x more projectiles at about 10rds/second

Besides the HD aspect, the ar and shotgun make for a lot of fun at the range …..and could also be used for pig hunting

That said, if the 6 shot compound bow will also be used for recreation….or you just like/want it, go get it.  YOLO!

If you don’t want to deal with the red tape, I think you could get a semi auto airgun that is used for pig hunting

For less lethal, a semi auto paintball gun shooting rubber/plastic covered steel balls.  Or Get those pepper balls.  Or those pepper bang stick thingies.

My wife and I used to do recurve and compound archery before we went all in with tennis.  A compound bow is a lot more bulkier than a firearm so it is harder to shoot from cover. 

Adding another fun option -
9 cheap all steel tomahawks!  Imagine the expression on the face of the 1st guy as he looks down to see what hit his chest….

I’m getting carried away…a firearm is the best choice for lethal HD.  A lot of the people on this forum have a bunch of toys….so the red tape isn’t that bad.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2025, 04:45:30 PM by tim808 »

Westside_Redneck

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2025, 10:54:36 AM »
If you don’t want to deal with the red tape, I think you could get a semi auto airgun that is used for pig hunting

Do you recommend any semi auto airguns that aren't over $1000+?

I've been shopping around at lots of semi auto airguns but they either have weak FPE, are bolt action only, or the ones that seem more powerful and semi auto are more than 3x what your AR and semi auto shotgun cost.

Also if I was to use one of these in a home defense scenario, could a prosecutor flag me for "firearms offenses"?

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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2025, 12:04:46 PM »
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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2025, 02:22:00 PM »
Unless you're planning on moving from HI in the next few years, you're better off buying a firearm and going through the process.  It won't change toward our benefit anytime soon. If anything, it would get more humbug to purchase in the future.

But it's your call.

tim808

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2025, 03:57:24 PM »
That electric crossbow looks interesting!!

OP
I did a quick google search and Benjamin Bulldog 457 came up.  About $1000

For me, I would rather go thru the “red tape” and spend the $1000 on a 9mm pistol or carbine ……and ammo

A long barreled shotgun is nice.  Home, fun at the range (trap/skeet) and hunting

A rifle is good too…..but putting holes thru paper for recreation isn’t as fun as doing trap or skeet with a bunch of your friends

The biggest pita of getting a firearm is making the 3 trips to HPD

If you don’t already do archery for recreation, that repeater bow is basically going to just sit.  It will likely depreciate in value really fast too.  If you already do archery, then I could see getting that bow.

If you’re not into archery and you don’t want to go through the red tape, have you considered a black powder revolver?  They can stay loaded for a while…like up to a year.  They are like $300 and have a 6 round capacity.  So for $600 you have 12 rounds.  If the 12 rounds of lead don’t do the job, the smoke might…..if they have asthma.

https://muzzle-loaders.com/collections/black-powder-revolver-pistols/products/pietta-1858-steel-remington-texas-black-powder-target-revolver-44-caliber-5-5-barrel-brass-frame-w-blued-barrel-rgbt44
 
Honestly, I think you should get a firearm over a repeater bow, airgun or a BP revolver.  The red tape isn’t that bad.  I know this because if it was really bad, there would be a lot less gun hoes on this forum.

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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2025, 06:33:52 PM »
Funny how everyone here recommends firearms ...
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tim808

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2025, 11:33:56 PM »
Lol…I wonder why that is :-)

But the truth is that if one wants a lethal HD tool, a firearm checks a lot more boxes compared to a bow, airgun or black powder gun

The funny thing is my initial go to is pepper spray/gel, not a firearm.

Westside_Redneck

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2025, 01:32:51 PM »
OP
I did a quick google search and Benjamin Bulldog 457 came up.  About $1000

For me, I would rather go thru the “red tape” and spend the $1000 on a 9mm pistol or carbine ……and ammo

A long barreled shotgun is nice.  Home, fun at the range (trap/skeet) and hunting

A rifle is good too…..but putting holes thru paper for recreation isn’t as fun as doing trap or skeet with a bunch of your friends

The biggest pita of getting a firearm is making the 3 trips to HPD

If you don’t already do archery for recreation, that repeater bow is basically going to just sit.  It will likely depreciate in value really fast too.  If you already do archery, then I could see getting that bow.

If you’re not into archery and you don’t want to go through the red tape, have you considered a black powder revolver?  They can stay loaded for a while…like up to a year.  They are like $300 and have a 6 round capacity.  So for $600 you have 12 rounds.  If the 12 rounds of lead don’t do the job, the smoke might…..if they have asthma.

https://muzzle-loaders.com/collections/black-powder-revolver-pistols/products/pietta-1858-steel-remington-texas-black-powder-target-revolver-44-caliber-5-5-barrel-brass-frame-w-blued-barrel-rgbt44
 
Honestly, I think you should get a firearm over a repeater bow, airgun or a BP revolver.  The red tape isn’t that bad.  I know this because if it was really bad, there would be a lot less gun hoes on this forum.

Thanks for the responses, I appreciate all the info. I'm on a firearm forum I should expect encouragement to go through the process, I just wish our banana republik didn't make the process feel so discouraging. Even on my island, they require you to pass tests once you get the PTA in order to CC, not too mention the PTA process itself requires more authorizations and such for just a f&^%!ng handgun.


Honestly, in my area my concern isn't say armed criminal youths more like mentally unstable schizophrenics freely moving about at night. Occasionally they pass by my area with some terrets syndrome between the afternoon and late at night to boot. They have caused criminal mischief not too far from where I live as well (Like this thin blonde lady who was attempting to smash up a water main pipe). You wanna now a real kick in the nuts, there's a police sub-station about a block away from my place and there are NO COPS anywhere at night!

I just need a weapon with enough power for the day they enter my house while they are in the middle of a "manic episode". Something with enough power to take them down no matter how f&^%!ng pissed off they are!

I carry pepper gel with me everywhere I go, specifically for these characters, best first option when I'm away from my "castle" and I want to keep distance, I carry a knife as a SHTF backup too.

I've got the gel by my nightstand too, but I feel like should the worst happen I need something with stopping power in the form of either pump action or semi auto action. Even better if I can find something without the inconvenience of red tape and being on the books, for what's otherwise a very hypothetical situation that could just be me being paranoid. But I digress :thumbsup:

I love firearms as much as you folks, if I had my way I would own a collection but alas we trade lead-pumping freedom for paradise.

tim808

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2025, 06:34:47 PM »
Skip the bow.  Just my opinion.

If an impaired person wants to break down your door, maybe consider a shotgun with rubber slugs as a backup  to your pepper gel….if your an old/weak guy

But if those impaired persons aren’t too big and your in decent shape, I would think the flat or back of a machete or a pick handle or a youth bat would be adequate - if they were already blinded by the pepper spray - to give them a love tap to discourage escalation

I assume you haven’t really considered what could possibly follow using a bow on an unstable person - criminal court, civil lawsuit, physical retaliation to you and/or your family, needing to relocate and losing a lot of assets including your home and retirement savings if you lose the civil case.

Have you told your wife about the bow in case a mentally impaired person tries to invade your home?  Was she ok with that?

Has anyone been attacked or any homes been invaded?

We have lots of mentally impaired and homeless at parks and under bridges in Pearl City.  Our yard is fenced with a dog in the yard. 

If you put up a fence and get a dog that may resolve your worries about an impaired person invading your home

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« Last Edit: August 22, 2025, 07:15:53 PM by tim808 »

Westside_Redneck

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2025, 12:02:53 PM »
I assume you haven’t really considered what could possibly follow using a bow on an unstable person - criminal court, civil lawsuit, physical retaliation to you and/or your family, needing to relocate and losing a lot of assets including your home and retirement savings if you lose the civil case.


Well you just made the argument that lethal force with a bow is not an upgrade, legally speaking, compared to using a real steel firearm. Either weapon choice bow or firearm would render you f&^%3d around here legally speaking.

As far as physical retaliation, most of these unstable people are not from around here (they're h@l0e$ with no known family) so I would imagine the deadbeat bleeding heart attorneys would be the ones coming after us on their behalf.

But if those impaired persons aren’t too big and your in decent shape, I would think the flat or back of a machete or a pick handle or a youth bat would be adequate - if they were already blinded by the pepper spray - to give them a love tap to discourage escalation


Lets say I do fit this category, I can take them and the only threatening component about them is their unstable aggressive demeanor and potential bad hygiene should they bite.

If I was to use any alternative projectile weapon (ie A high powered less lethal riot marker with rubber steel core balls) that isn't a bow or firearm to keep distance, would that automatically disqualify me from claiming self defense due to the disparity of force? Keep in mind, I would be aiming center mass with this launcher.

If it does, could I still use a bludgeon or melee weapon in addition to pepper gel to love tap them as you suggest?



We have lots of mentally impaired and homeless at parks and under bridges in Pearl City.  Our yard is fenced with a dog in the yard. 

If you put up a fence and get a dog that may resolve your worries about an impaired person invading your home


I would put up a fence but we are renters on a month-to-month lease which means we can't make changes like that to where we live. It doesn't help either that half a block over is a bus stop, which means people can freely walk up and down what's supposed to be a private driveway. The landlord is aware of these mentally-ill individuals but good luck getting our PD to do anything about them.

Bring back institutionalizing these people, why should they have to make us feel unsafe anytime they have a hissy fit disturbing the peace!


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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2025, 12:41:57 PM »
I don’t mean to offend anyone, nor do I disregard the legal / civil repercussions of the use of deadly force.

However, if the threat meets the threshold for the lawful use of lethal force, at that point fuck all remaining hand wringing, and do not hesitate to do what you are properly trained to do to protect yourself or others.

The threat you face is completely unconcerned (obviously) with your wellbeing, likewise for the local authorities who will show up later to start the idiot wheels of state turning against you, so fuck it - at least you will have done the right thing, and are still standing to face it down.

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stangzilla

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2025, 01:13:59 PM »
A bow is not a good choice for self defense or home defense. No wonder cops and military don't use it. They use firearms

Westside_Redneck

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2025, 01:22:49 PM »
A bow is not a good choice for self defense or home defense. No wonder cops and military don't use it. They use firearms


I believe we have established that, please see my response to tim808 below


I assume you haven’t really considered what could possibly follow using a bow on an unstable person - criminal court, civil lawsuit, physical retaliation to you and/or your family, needing to relocate and losing a lot of assets including your home and retirement savings if you lose the civil case.

Well you just made the argument that lethal force with a bow is not an upgrade, legally speaking, compared to using a real steel firearm. Either weapon choice bow or firearm would render you f&^%3d around here legally speaking.

QUIETShooter

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2025, 01:27:49 PM »



Bring back institutionalizing these people, why should they have to make us feel unsafe anytime they have a hissy fit disturbing the peace!

This.  I blame the ACLU and their bleeding heart soros paid fairies.
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stangzilla

Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2025, 02:28:18 PM »

I believe we have established that, please see my response to tim808 below

Then this thread is dead. Game over

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Re: Whipshot compound bow?
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2025, 02:53:26 PM »
This.  I blame the ACLU and their bleeding heart soros paid fairies.
If i may, this comes up often, and it seems the lesson still needs to be repeated.

The problems started in the 1950s and before.  Conditions in asylums/mental institutions were so horrid, and funding was so inadequate, most of them devolved into houses of horror, where mistreatment, use of lobotomies and shock treatments, and unsanitary living conditions became the norm.  i imagine trying to control a hospital full of noncompliant, violent and disconnected patients is a lot like herding cats, and getting good workers who could handle the conditions was next to impossible.

President Kennedy, motivated by his own daughter's special needs (Rosemary), decided to stop trying to control institutions at the federal level.  instead of funding these federal facilities, he wanted to provide grants to the states so they could build new and improved community-based mental health centers.  The federal government would provide up to 75% of the funding in early months, but then turn over the funding to the state and private enterprises. It was a major shift in federal policy, away from institutional-based care and to more out-patient and alternative treatments.

That was the beginning of deinstitutionalizing more and more people with mental health problems.  By 1980, the number of patients at public psychiatric hospitals had declined by 75% and by 2000 only 55,000 remained.  The numbers continued to drop, and by 2009 the institutionalized population was just 2% of what it was in 1963.

Only half of the proposed centers were ever built; none was fully funded, and the act didn't provide money to operate them long-term. I guess the idea was the money previously spent by law enforcement, prisons and regular hospitals would somehow be redirected to the new mental health facilities.  Some states closed expensive state hospitals, but never spent money to establish community-based care. Deinstitutionalization accelerated after the adoption of Medicaid in 1965

Once Reagan saw this as a waste of federal funds -- gifting the money to states and at the same time housing fewer and fewer people -- he pulled the plug on the whole grant program.  During the Reagan administration, the remaining funding for the act was converted into a mental-health block grants for states. Since the CMHA was enacted, 90 percent of beds have been cut at state hospitals, but they have not been replaced by community resources.

Where do the majority of the retarded and mentally ill wind up now?  As homeless living on the streets where they get no treatment, and/or prisons where they might get a bare minimum of treatment if properly diagnosed.  Once they are released from prison, the meds are no longer administered regularly, and the cycle begins again.

It was a long and winding road, but i think Medicaid -- healthcare for the poor -- became the escape hatch for the states to wash their hands of the mentally ill and place them on the Medicaid roles where they can see a doctor, get some meds, and live wherever they can find a place.  Of course, that doesn't mean a mentally ill person is going to make, let alone keep, appointments or remember to pick up a prescription refill without assistance.
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