I think the discussion of Trans => de facto mental disorder disqualifying for firearm ownership, is an interesting one.

I think this is where the onerous permitting process to screen for valid mental illness makes a good point about it's unfortunate necessity: If an applicant has documented mental health issues that "society" deems sufficient to preclude firearm ownership, then they should be denied.  Sexual proclivity is not a factor in this calculus.  I.e. I personally don't have reason to believe that being Trans alone is de facto evidence of mental health issues of this nature.

On the other hand, this kid was completely whacked, Minnesota disqualifies ownership based on mental illness, and yet the statement is "the firearms were purchased legally." ?

Is it that he literally had no mental health medical history? - or, more ominously, that there was tons of it, but it was all made exempt from assessment because of the Marxist belief in the sacredness of Trans - Minnesota IS every bit the Marxist shithole Hawaii is, after all.

Couldn't you just see Tampon Tim loudly proclaiming the sacredness of trans after signing legislation to declare all trans exempt from such laws, etc., all surrounded by grinning corpulent Karens and cross-dressers? - sure you can.

If so, that should be a monstrous scandal, as their Marxism directly caused a mass murder in a church.

If anyone has more information relevant to this - please enlighten me.

It is an academically researched fact that the rate of suicidal actions among
transgender people, as well as LGBTQ+ individuals more broadly, is far higher
than the wider population, particularly among young people.

While some studies suggest cases of suicide or suicide attempts among
transgender people are linked to feelings of unhappiness with their physical
appearance, others have indicated the rise in young people exhibiting gender
dysphoria might be in part a product of wider mental health issues.

The issue has come to light again as many states have introduced legislation
to limit gender-affirming health care for young people identifying as transgender.
Proponents say they are doing so over concerns that minors are being harmed
by gender-affirming procedures, while opponents say they are limiting transgender
rights and worsening the mental health of those who feel they are trapped in the
wrong body.
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A 2020 academic study with a sample size of 372 respondents found that 40 percent
of transgender people had attempted suicide. It found that interpersonal
microaggressions and emotional neglect by family members were the leading
contributors to the attempts.

Similarly, in 2016, the National Transgender Discrimination Survey found that 41 percent
of 6,450 respondents said they had previously attempted suicide. By comparison,
the CDC found that in 2020, 0.36 percent of the population had attempted suicide.

According to a 2022 survey by The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ+ suicide prevention
organization, nearly 1 in 5 young people who identified as transgender or non-binary
have attempted suicide.

Suicide is a symptom of underlying mental illness, and recognizing indicators of
poor mental health and providing necessary support and intervention is important.

Many mental health disorders—including depression, bipolar disorder, borderline
personality disorder, and PTSD—come with a heightened risk of suicidal thoughts
or attempts. Symptoms of despair, emptiness, or hopelessness may lead someone
with depression, bipolar disorder, or PTSD to consider taking their own life; in
disorders such as borderline personality disorder, ADHD, or bipolar disorder,
mood swings or impulsivity can contribute to suicidality. While seeking help for
suicidal thoughts or behaviors is critical regardless of the cause, securing a specific
diagnosis may help the individual receive treatment—especially ongoing treatment—
that is best suited to their mental health needs.

It’s also important to remember that while the majority of people who die by suicide
have a diagnosable mental health condition of some kind, it is not universally the
case. Addressing social, cultural, and economic risk factors is also a critical part of
suicide prevention.

A new study from the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law finds that 81% of
transgender adults in the U.S. have thought about suicide, 42% of transgender
adults have attempted it, and 56% have engaged in non-suicidal self-injury over
their lifetimes.

Individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher
suicide attempt risk than those who did not (3.47% vs. 0.29%, RR 95%
CI 9.20-15.96, p < 0.0001). Compared to the tubal ligation/vasectomy controls,
the risk was 5.03-fold higher before propensity matching and remained
significant at 4.71-fold after matching (3.50% vs. 0.74%, RR 95% CI 2.46-9.024,
p < 0.0001) for the gender affirmation patients with similar results with the
pharyngitis controls.

Conclusion

Patients who have undergone gender-affirming surgery are associated with a
significantly elevated risk of suicide, highlighting the necessity for comprehensive
post-procedure psychiatric support.

When you're dealing with actual demons it's important to remember that the person infected by them has a sickness and the root of the problem is not something that can be solved with bullets and nooses.

debatable.

      If I write in on my PTA that I am a 4'-2''  310lb  African American with blonde hair and green eyes with the nationality of Platypus because I truly believe it, would they think I am a "mental defective"?
B Same as being born a male and thinking you are a female  equates to being deemed a “mental defective.” 
That's the term used in federal law to deny someone the right to possess a firearm -- mental defective.

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b
psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or
persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable
evidence to the contrary

the delusion that someone was out to hurt him

also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

don't forget about Furries

Calls for personal responsibility are generally unwelcome these days. People want ozempic instead of cutting out seed oils and intermittent fasting.

Our society has rejected divinity and now the demons are having a field day, It’s not a difficult concept.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-transgender-attempted-suicide-rate-1791504https://geroshealth.com/is-suicide-a-mental-illness/https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/suicide/mental-health-conditions-suicide

So, if we use deductive reasoning, for a population to have at least one factor in common (trans) to also have a 40% to 41% suicide attempt rate, AND if "the majority of people who die by suicide have diagnosable mental health condition,"  we can predict that the majority of that 40%+ rate for trans suicide attempts have a diagnosable mental health condition.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11063965/

I think it's pretty clear statistically that trying to affirm one's transgender identity is enabling a mental health problem in the majority of cases whether or not they have already attempted suicide.  Suicide attempts is one of the main talking points for "gender-affirming care."  But, we can see from the results, trans surgery patients are 12 times more likely to attempt suicide than those who remain trans only in their minds.

This data stands alone as an argument that transgenders have a mental problem.  But the common sense aspect tells me that anyone who actually and honestly believes they are living in the wrong BODY is delusional, and it's up to society to treat the delusion, not "affirm" it.

If I was still in high school and told the nurse, "I'm Jesus Christ. I've returned to save mankind from the Antichrist," how long do you think before I'm reported to mental health officials for being delusional?  Yet, if I walk in and say, "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body and want to use drastic hormonal and surgical treatments to make my body look like a woman," the response will be, "Let's make you an appointment to get those puberty blockers!"

It's malpractice at the least -- evil at its worst.  They are playing along with a delusion (a symptom) instead of treating the cause.

don't forget about Furries

Does the selector switch on your ar go to uwu?

I understand your argument here, and certainly with respect to suicide, but reiterate that, on its own, sexual proclivity should not be a factor with respect to constitutional rights.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to change out of my negligee to pick up my wife downtown.

I'm not sure that word means what you think it means!

"Sexual proclivity" refers to a person's natural inclination or preference towards certain sexual behaviors or activities, which can include specific desires or interests in sexual relationships. It often encompasses a range of sexual preferences and tendencies.

That would be more relevant to whether a person prefers certain genders over others, has no real preference, or is into S&M, etc.  It isn't directly related to gender identity.

"On its own", if a person displays a specific symptom that is associated primarily with a mental illness or condition, then one specific constitutional right -- the right to keep and bear arms -- needs to be more strictly verified.  Just like HI requires a clearance letter to buy a gun for some individuals, so should the feds if there is a documented history of behaviors and actions that require further examination.  I don't see the problem with asking that someone who exhibits symptoms that may signal a mental problem be examined more closely to rule that problem out.  But the symptoms need to be specific, such as having a delusional belief in something that is obviously not true -- i.e. in the wrong body.

HI had to stop requiring letters UNLESS the individual was diagnosed with an actual mental defect.  In the federal realm, they should have sufficient justification for requiring a mental health exam for specific symptoms. 

I, too, want to want to keep guns out of the wrong hands.  Mental health is one area I think we can improve as it relates to guns, but only if we stop treating certain mental illnesses as a badge of honor and bravery.

Whoa pardner - who’s talking about badges of bravery?

I think we’re talking past each other here.  Objectively, I do not believe someone who is a transvestite is de facto mentally ill for the purposes voiding their 2A rights, just as I would say for homosexuals or lesbians.

Do I consider these things as “disordered”? - yes, in my personal view, but there are innumerable human disorders … maybe as many as there are people  …

Interestingly, this kid didn’t believe himself to be a female, and regretted his drift into trans hell.  He was mentally ill and there is strong evidence of at minimum demonic obsession (that is a thing) involved here.

Ok Mr. Jackson, here’s some science:

Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study
Jonathon W Wanta 1,,*, Joshua D Niforatos 2, Emily Durbak 3, Adele Viguera 4, Murat Altinay 4
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PMCID: PMC6830528  PMID: 31701012

“Of 10,270 transgender patients identified, 58% (n=5940) had at least one psychiatric diagnosis compared with 13.6% (n=7,311,780) in the control patient population (p<0.0005). Transgender patients had a statistically significant increase in prevalence for all psychiatric diagnoses queried, with major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder being the most common diagnoses (31% and 12%, respectively). Utilizing an all-payer database, although not without limitations, enables assessment of mental health and substance use diagnoses in this otherwise small population.”

So according to this data, transgender folks have much higher incidence 58% versus 13% in the control group, of at least one psychiatric diagnosis.  However this doesn’t seem to square with “being truly transgender is a symptom of an underlying mental illness, defect or condition” as you suggest.

42% had no evidence of psychiatric diagnosis.

I’m sticking with not de facto, let the medical records speak to psychological suitability to own firearms.

My only dog in this fight is the one that likes to give a fair shake, under law, to all comers, that’s all.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6830528/

Gender Dysphoria (GD) became a psychiatric diagnosis in the fifth edition
of DSM (2013), and Gender Incongruence (GI) appeared in ICD-11, the
WHO classification that was approved in 2019 and should be effective in
2022.

You're free to believe anything you want, just like a transgender.  Just don't expect me to affirm your beliefs when there's evidence to the contrary.

In your mind, if it's not 100%, then there's no reason to stigmatize the whole population -- because almost 60% having a mental problem isn't significant.

Also in your mind, transgender in and of itself is not a mental defect since it's no longer identified as one.  Transgenderism has been (and many still do) associated with body dysmorphia.  That's a DSM certified mental illness/defect.  In order to make transgenders more politically protected, similar to the LGB community, the condition was reclassified as gender (or body) dysphoria.  It's still in the DSM, but it's no longer considered part of body dysmorphia, hence no longer a mental illness.  The psychiatric community basically gave gender it's own category so they could tailor their diagnoses, treatments and societal activism efforts toward gender without the obvious pushback of it being a real mental illness.

I find it amazing that this diagnosis has only been around for 12 years, but people act like it was taken from the gospel.

I do appreciate that science is always making new discoveries, but in this instance, it seems to coincide with the movement to normalize and even entice others to adopt this delusion as if it's reality.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9286744/