Theft-vandalism solution (Read 6065 times)

oldfart

Theft-vandalism solution
« on: September 01, 2025, 02:32:45 AM »
A Maui business suffers 2 thefts.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/09/01/maui-ice-cream-business-falls-victim-theft-twice-recent-months/
Back in the day, businesses would be built with adjoining apartments or housing.
It's not uncommon to see old businesses around Honolulu with apartments directly over/adjacent to the shop.

The Kokohead range used to have a little house where the caretaker would live.
Perhaps if city parks had a little studio apartment on site, then that might reduce theft and vandalism.
If you can find a sane and responsible homeless person to live at the park-apartment, then that kills 2 birds with one stone.
1- it gets a homeless person off the street
2- it discourages theft and vandalism
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2025, 09:54:49 AM »
A Maui business suffers 2 thefts.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/09/01/maui-ice-cream-business-falls-victim-theft-twice-recent-months/
Back in the day, businesses would be built with adjoining apartments or housing.
It's not uncommon to see old businesses around Honolulu with apartments directly over/adjacent to the shop.

The Kokohead range used to have a little house where the caretaker would live.
Perhaps if city parks had a little studio apartment on site, then that might reduce theft and vandalism.
If you can find a sane and responsible homeless person to live at the park-apartment, then that kills 2 birds with one stone.
1- it gets a homeless person off the street
2- it discourages theft and vandalism

"If you can find a sane and responsible homeless person..."

Maybe I'm naive, but I think any sane, responsible person would tend to not be homeless. 

 :geekdanc: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2025, 10:30:21 AM »
"If you can find a sane and responsible homeless person..."

Maybe I'm naive, but I think any sane, responsible person would tend to not be homeless. 

 :geekdanc: :shaka:

You are assuming that they screwed up somehow, but the truth is you've just been lucky so far.
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oldfart

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2025, 10:40:21 AM »
"If you can find a sane and responsible homeless person..."

Maybe I'm naive, but I think any sane, responsible person would tend to not be homeless. 

 :geekdanc: :shaka:
.....
How about "somewhat sane and responsible ".
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2025, 11:02:52 AM »
You are assuming that they screwed up somehow, but the truth is you've just been lucky so far.
Nope.  Not assuming anything.  But if people were taught how to manage their finances better, they would have money in savings and not being wasted on the latest LCD big screen smart TV, iPhone, game/console, fireworks, or travel package to Vegas.

About 2010, i heard a comment from Warren Buffet that  he did not own a  single flat screen TV.  Today they are pretty affordable, but when plasma was the thing to get, you're talking thousands per TV.  When LCD came out, the largest were in that same ballpark.  That's many thousands he put to work for him making more money rather than consuming the most recent tech or fad.

So, when you talk about someone screwing up, it's not always about blowing your money each week on drugs or having to pay to get out of jail for doing something stupid.  it can also be failing to learn/teach yourself how to be responsible, and how "trying to keep up with the Joneses" is usually going to end poorly.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2025, 11:32:17 AM »
Typical boomer entitlement, talking down to people who were crushed by the policies that enriched your generation at the expense of everyone else.

And people wonder why kids are embracing communism.

Let's check back in a few months after the stock market and real estate get wiped out an inflation takes a good sized chunk out of your passive income.

Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

QUIETShooter

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2025, 01:20:49 PM »


And people wonder why kids are embracing communism.




Kids nowadays, when they get knocked down, they don't get back up.

They stay down, whip out their iPhones, and play computer games.

They figure: Meh, better to get something for doing nothing than busting my A$$ doing something for nothing.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2025, 01:24:50 PM »
Typical boomer entitlement, talking down to people who were crushed by the policies that enriched your generation at the expense of everyone else.

And people wonder why kids are embracing communism.

Let's check back in a few months after the stock market and real estate get wiped out an inflation takes a good sized chunk out of your passive income.


Now who's making assumptions?  You write as if you actually know anything about me.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2025, 01:57:26 PM »
 :stopjack:
Re. Vandalized parks
Another possibility is to pay a small amount to neighbors who live near the parks to watch and report bad things to the police. There used to be the neighborhood watch program but I don't see it much nowadays.
What, Me Worry?

hvybarrels

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2025, 02:36:01 PM »
Now who's making assumptions?  You write as if you actually know anything about me.

Someone with a true appreciation for the nature of risk would not make such an arrogant statement.

There are plenty of homeless people who tried to do the right thing and still got crushed by a system that is clearly in decline.

I would expect more vandalism going forward with so many angry young men with no chance at a better life getting browbeaten by a bunch of self-centered old timers who were fortunate enough to come of age just after WW2.

Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2025, 02:56:04 PM »
Someone with a true appreciation for the nature of risk would not make such an arrogant statement.

There are plenty of homeless people who tried to do the right thing and still got crushed by a system that is clearly in decline.

I would expect more vandalism going forward with so many angry young men with no chance at a better life getting browbeaten by a bunch of self-centered old timers who were fortunate enough to come of age just after WW2.
The nature of risk?  WTF are you talking about?

Can you provide a percentage representation of 'plenty of homeless who tried to do the right thing?'  Also, what do you believe is "the right thing" to do, and how did the system "crush' them?

You speak in general, ambiguous terms.  Try offfering facts that aren't clouded by nonspecific descriptions.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2025, 07:19:06 PM »
You speak in general, ambiguous terms.  Try offfering facts that aren't clouded by nonspecific descriptions.

You mean like calling all homeless lazy and/or stupid?

Because it couldn't POSSIBLY be true that the American Dream is dead for most people.

Unthinkable...
Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2025, 08:26:02 PM »
You mean like calling all homeless lazy and/or stupid?

Because it couldn't POSSIBLY be true that the American Dream is dead for most people.

Unthinkable...

Show me where anyone called ALL homeless lazy and/or stupid.

The words being used were "sane and responsible."

Try to focus.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2025, 11:28:18 PM »
Show me where anyone called ALL homeless lazy and/or stupid.

The words being used were "sane and responsible."

Try to focus.

There are homeless people who I would definitely hire as a security guard. Obviously not the knife swinging fent psychos, but a little bit crazy is okay as long as they appreciate the roof over their head and take care of the space.

The main challenge is finding someone both sane and healthy enough to retreat if they are in danger. So many of the people on the street are there because they got wiped out by medical debt and don’t have the credit score to rent somewhere decent even if they could afford to.

Now that the dgaf attitude of the youth is getting so bad they are beating amputees to death I’m sure there are plenty of down on their luck folks who would be grateful for the opportunity to sleep somewhere safe.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/09/02/brutal-beating-that-ended-life-kauai-man-under-investigation/


Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2025, 09:41:23 AM »
There are homeless people who I would definitely hire as a security guard. Obviously not the knife swinging fent psychos, but a little bit crazy is okay as long as they appreciate the roof over their head and take care of the space.

The main challenge is finding someone both sane and healthy enough to retreat if they are in danger. So many of the people on the street are there because they got wiped out by medical debt and don’t have the credit score to rent somewhere decent even if they could afford to.

Now that the dgaf attitude of the youth is getting so bad they are beating amputees to death I’m sure there are plenty of down on their luck folks who would be grateful for the opportunity to sleep somewhere safe.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/09/02/brutal-beating-that-ended-life-kauai-man-under-investigation/
Know a lot of homeless, do you? 

All the ones I've encountered i have no desire to get to know.  They all tended to be the wild and wooly, talking to themselves, paranoid-looking types.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2025, 10:24:48 AM »
With exceptions, the truly homeless are usually supported by family and friends.  Yes they did their best but was still crushed by a system in decline that forsaken the American Dream.

These people usually come from families that respect hard work and good ethics.  The ties and bonds are strong and their friends and families will support them whether in terms of shelter or financial means to help them get by.

The homeless you see in plain sight on the streets blatantly littering the landscape and making no effort to respond to social services are the ones that friends and family has deemed hopeless because they choose to be that way, either for the love of drugs, the sin of sloth, mental illness, or a combination of all.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2025, 11:18:43 AM »
Know a lot of homeless, do you? 

All the ones I've encountered i have no desire to get to know.  They all tended to be the wild and wooly, talking to themselves, paranoid-looking types.
....
Re. Homeless people...
I know a few current or previously homeless folks. They are all a little bit nutz but not usually violent.
What, Me Worry?

hvybarrels

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2025, 11:27:30 AM »
A little bit paranoid is actually desirable for a security job.

You aren't going to catch them napping if they think the lizard people are out to get them.
Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2025, 11:48:31 AM »
A little bit paranoid is actually desirable for a security job.

You aren't going to catch them napping if they think the lizard people are out to get them.
Look up what "paranoid" means.
Quote
Paranoid refers to a state of mind characterized by extreme distrust,
suspicion, and feelings that others are trying to harm or deceive you,
often without any evidence to support these beliefs. It can also describe
a mental health condition where these thoughts become delusional
and interfere with daily life.

Maybe you were thinking more like "situational awareness."

i don't think you'd want someone who thinks everyone is out to harm them and the reactions that might instigate.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Theft-vandalism solution
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2025, 12:12:30 PM »
Look up what "paranoid" means.
Maybe you were thinking more like "situational awareness."

i don't think you'd want someone who thinks everyone is out to harm them and the reactions that might instigate.

It's an abused term that's often weaponized in order to discredit people with higher situational awareness than the average tax cow.

Maybe the reptilian government theory of our hypothetical security guard doesn't seem very likely, but with wave after wave of totalitarian policies hitting us over the past few years he's clearly on to something.

Also he is a lot less likely to start flapping his gums to the cops because he thinks there's a good chance they are in on it.

Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.