Old School (Read 2550 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: Old School
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2025, 08:39:47 AM »
Agree with all the above.

When I started shooting a couple of decades ago, not knowing anything (kinda still the case) I learned using the Army Advanced Pistol Marksmanship manual.  It was hard.  However, right there at the beginning was the bit about, paraphrasing, “… as long as the shot breaks as a surprise, it will be accurate.”

And that simple, beautiful truth, is why I find firearms so interesting and rewarding to work with.

I was lucky to have picked that Army manual as the starting point.

I found this out to be true for me also.  Long ago when I visited the range more often, I shot my SW model 29 one handed.  Never knew when the shot would break, the gun went off as a surprise everytime.  I was way more accurate than recently when I held the gun two handed.

I'm having problems keeping my rounds on paper with my P365.  Love the gun but I couldn't hit the side of a barn.  Now that I have grandpa duties and watch my 2 grandsons full time, I haven't been to the range.

Next chance I get I think I'll reset my thinking and go back to shooting one handed to see if I get any better.
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Re: Old School
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2025, 08:53:47 AM »
I found this out to be true for me also.  Long ago when I visited the range more often, I shot my SW model 29 one handed.  Never knew when the shot would break, the gun went off as a surprise everytime.  I was way more accurate than recently when I held the gun two handed.

I'm having problems keeping my rounds on paper with my P365.  Love the gun but I couldn't hit the side of a barn.  Now that I have grandpa duties and watch my 2 grandsons full time, I haven't been to the range.

Next chance I get I think I'll reset my thinking and go back to shooting one handed to see if I get any better.
Awesome model 29 .44 Magnum.

One handed and on the money more than once with a .44?

You definitely got it bro!
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zippz

Re: Old School
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2025, 09:00:38 AM »
I'm having problems keeping my rounds on paper with my P365.  Love the gun but I couldn't hit the side of a barn.  Now that I have grandpa duties and watch my 2 grandsons full time, I haven't been to the range.

Dryfire it one handed at home.

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oldfart

Re: Old School
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2025, 09:53:44 AM »
Shooting one handed develops good fundamentals and olympic/bullseye shooters will tear a hole in the center of a target at 50 yards.  If you have good technique, you could shoot a gun accurately with just your thumb and trigger finger.  The role of the support hand is to control recoil for quicker follow up shots and mitigate trigger/grip issues with the gun hand.

You can shoot pretty good like in the army videos.  However it takes a lot more practice, you won't be as accurate, and you can't shoot multiple rounds as fast.  It would be interesting to see someone try it on a USPSA match.
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We used to design shooting matches that requires right and left hand only. It was pretty common in ipsc/uspsa/action pistol matches.
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zippz

Re: Old School
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2025, 09:59:39 AM »
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We used to design shooting matches that requires right and left hand only. It was pretty common in ipsc/uspsa/action pistol matches.

That, but not allowed to use the sights.  Wonder if the rules allow for that.

oldfart

Re: Old School
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2025, 10:43:01 AM »
That, but not allowed to use the sights.  Wonder if the rules allow for that.
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The founding principle of ipsc/uspa competition is to present a problem or situation to the shooter and let that person solve the problem as best as they can (within reason).

You would have to figure out a way to prevent the competitor from using sights. Ie. What problem would prevent looking at the sights?
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Rocky

Re: Old School
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2025, 07:46:04 AM »
They fell off !  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

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The founding principle of ipsc/uspa competition is to present a problem or situation to the shooter and let that person solve the problem as best as they can (within reason).

You would have to figure out a way to prevent the competitor from using sights. Ie. What problem would prevent looking at the sights?
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oldfart

Re: Old School
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2025, 09:34:12 AM »
They fell off !  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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 :shake: :rofl:
You remember I wrote about that incident?
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Old School
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2025, 12:27:46 PM »
Point and shoot I have had pretty good accuracy up to 10-15 feet. Not tight groups but good enough for center mass on a human torso size target. I think there is an innate human ability to aim at a general direction without needing to aim down the sights. Even blindfolded you can point at a noise source with reasonable accuracy.

Rocky

Re: Old School
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2025, 01:20:06 PM »
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 :shake: :rofl:
You remember I wrote about that incident?
I may be getting old but not senile,  yet !   :rofl:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Old School
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2025, 01:24:28 PM »
I may be getting old but not senile,  yet !   :rofl:
That you know of!    :geekdanc:

My grandpappy told me, "Son, you don't have to worry about senility.  If you go senile, you won't know it!"   :crazy:

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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hvybarrels

Re: Old School
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2025, 01:45:30 PM »
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The founding principle of ipsc/uspa competition is to present a problem or situation to the shooter and let that person solve the problem as best as they can (within reason).

You would have to figure out a way to prevent the competitor from using sights. Ie. What problem would prevent looking at the sights?

Consider an ambush in a tight Chinatown alleyway where there’s not enough space to use a traditional stance and no time because the other guys already have their weapons out.

That’s the situation that Fairbairn developed his system for after his years of experience as a Shanghai cop.
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oldfart

Re: Old School
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2025, 04:50:53 PM »
Consider an ambush in a tight Chinatown alleyway where there’s not enough space to use a traditional stance and no time because the other guys already have their weapons out.

That’s the situation that Fairbairn developed his system for after his years of experience as a Shanghai cop.
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Ok, I remember we did some drills from about 40 years ago. The key was multiple small targets under very tight time limits.
We only did it in on a closed range because it is kind of dangerous. Never did it in a competition setting
When you mandate very tight time limits, you risk accidents.
That did happen here.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Old School
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2025, 05:02:59 PM »
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Re: Old School
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2025, 08:45:02 PM »
Consider an ambush in a tight Chinatown alleyway where there’s not enough space to use a traditional stance and no time because the other guys already have their weapons out.

That’s the situation that Fairbairn developed his system for after his years of experience as a Shanghai cop.
You could have just said “Consider going to Chinatown” and we’d all be in your intended state of tactical readiness….  8)
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Re: Old School
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2025, 09:42:41 AM »
That you know of!    :geekdanc:

My grandpappy told me, "Son, you don't have to worry about senility.  If you go senile, you won't know it!"   :crazy:

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Well , at least I'm not senile yet.  :D
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Re: Old School
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2025, 11:36:40 AM »
Well , at least I'm not senile yet.  :D
Nice
At least the original Nazi’s had the decency not to scream “Fascist!” as they shoot you for being an American.