Have you checked the crime stats in DC since the national guard was deployed?

Because that’s what the left is protesting against.

Their plans to reconstruct civilization into a socialist utopia only work if the old order is completely destroyed.

For them the ends justify the means, no matter how much suffering it causes the peasants.

No, not that is not what they are protesting against.

When I said quite the leap in reasoning I was referring to you jumping to the conclusion they are fine letting the world burn.

There are no master plans for some socialist utopia or attempt to burn it all down and start over

prove it...

No, not that is not what they are protesting against.

When I said quite the leap in reasoning I was referring to you jumping to the conclusion they are fine letting the world burn.

There are no master plans for some socialist utopia or attempt to burn it all down and start over

@14:45.  Would the United States of America have the guts to carry something like this out?  Seems like a fast, effective, and cheaper way to solve the drug problem.

Would never happen.

We could wipe out drug cartels if we wanted to? Historical wars against guerilla level forces in the past suggest otherwise.

Of course the military and cops operate under different sets of laws/rule, I am not suggesting otherwise. The issue is taking lives for something entirely different than war or terrorism type actions. If the Taliban is sneaking a dirty nuke in on a boat blow them to hell, it is a military force coming to harm us. Even if we were to assume that intelligence was right and that these were drug runners on a drug boat destined for America, they aren't a hostile military type force.

We have a lot of experience intercepting drug boats, it is a mission we know we can accomplish without resorting to bombing the boat and taking the lives of low level mules.

If the logic is that drugs are so dangerous that they must be stopped even by taking life then that logic should allow police to execute drug dealers in the country too. If not then the logic doesn't hold water.

We have never "went to war" with the full force of our military against the cartels.

The taliban is a military group, but not a countries military. Theres a difference. So if we were to do the same in ur nuke example, i guess they must be detained and arrested. As it too isnt an act of war by another country. The t-ban also sells drugs. The cartels have lots of military equipment as well.

 It sounds like ur in favor of protecting the lives of drug smugglers using fast boats loaded with millions of drugs.

The ocean is huge and potus is sending a message as the cartels know our ships cannot be everywhere and are much slower.



U should know better, cops arent allowed to execute people. They can defend themselves and others with lethal force.

Thanks for playing.

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From a psychological warfare perspective it was a smash hit. Now the cartels have to change up their entire business model for something far less profitable, but the real victory is that the looney left took the bait and are defending the cartels, completely isolating themselves from the mainstream.

By design I suspect

We have never "went to war" with the full force of our military against the cartels.

The taliban is a military group, but not a countries military. Theres a difference. So if we were to do the same in ur nuke example, i guess they must be detained and arrested. As it too isnt an act of war by another country. The t-ban also sells drugs. The cartels have lots of military equipment as well.

 It sounds like ur in favor of protecting the lives of drug smugglers using fast boats loaded with millions of drugs.

The ocean is huge and potus is sending a message as the cartels know our ships cannot be everywhere and are much slower.



U should know better, cops arent allowed to execute people. They can defend themselves and others with lethal force.

Thanks for playing.

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Thats a pretty blurry difference, some of these cartels are armed and operate like small military groups. The whole point was that we have found against small poorly armed militias many times and it cost is dearly. In the end sure we kill more of them than they kill of us but it is hard to say we achieved victory.

But the issue I am talking about isn't about going to war against a cartel. Drug enforcement is a whole different bucket than engaging in war. The Taliban sneaking a nuke into our country isn't the same thing as drug mules bringing in drugs to sell to Americans.

What I am in favor of is due process, not killing someone because we are pretty sure they have drugs on their boat. Cops can defend themselves with lethal force when they are being attacked, they can't shoot up a drug dealers car while he is on the way to deal drugs.

Why not try to intercept the boat? It is something we are very capable of doing. Then you not only don't have to take any lives but you can also interrogate them for information, work your way up to the big fish and take out a whole operation.

Thats a pretty blurry difference, some of these cartels are armed and operate like small military groups. The whole point was that we have found against small poorly armed militias many times and it cost is dearly. In the end sure we kill more of them than they kill of us but it is hard to say we achieved victory.

But the issue I am talking about isn't about going to war against a cartel. Drug enforcement is a whole different bucket than engaging in war. The Taliban sneaking a nuke into our country isn't the same thing as drug mules bringing in drugs to sell to Americans.

What I am in favor of is due process, not killing someone because we are pretty sure they have drugs on their boat. Cops can defend themselves with lethal force when they are being attacked, they can't shoot up a drug dealers car while he is on the way to deal drugs.

Why not try to intercept the boat? It is something we are very capable of doing. Then you not only don't have to take any lives but you can also interrogate them for information, work your way up to the big fish and take out a whole operation.

Can you post examples of these poorly armed militias you speak of that cost us dearly many times?

I know cops can't shoot drug dealers for just dealing drugs.  You're the one that posted the what if example about them executing drug dealers.

U must not understand logistics.  Drug boats purposely evade our ships.  So often aircraft has a much quicker response.  So to have our ships intercept is difficult.

Is there "due process" in international waters?  If you think non-citzens who aren't on US soil can get "due process", then they also must be afforded their 2nd amendment right too.  Cause you know, you cannot pick and choose which rights someone smuggling drugs by ocean get.

The US isn't part of the UN Conventions of the Law of the Sea.  And you haven't learned that when Trump does things, he knows he will get the fake news and liberals on his case about it.  So I will assume that he checked into the legality of it.

The US is finally sending a message to the cartels.  I hope he authorizes more of this.

Thats a pretty blurry difference, some of these cartels are armed and operate like small military groups. The whole point was that we have found against small poorly armed militias many times and it cost is dearly. In the end sure we kill more of them than they kill of us but it is hard to say we achieved victory.

But the issue I am talking about isn't about going to war against a cartel. Drug enforcement is a whole different bucket than engaging in war. The Taliban sneaking a nuke into our country isn't the same thing as drug mules bringing in drugs to sell to Americans.

What I am in favor of is due process, not killing someone because we are pretty sure they have drugs on their boat. Cops can defend themselves with lethal force when they are being attacked, they can't shoot up a drug dealers car while he is on the way to deal drugs.

Why not try to intercept the boat? It is something we are very capable of doing. Then you not only don't have to take any lives but you can also interrogate them for information, work your way up to the big fish and take out a whole operation.

Mules who transport the drugs are not knowledgable of the cartel's operations.  They get hired to do one thing, and there's no reason for them to know any more than that.  Hoping to get information is shortsighted.

is it your belief that we should put our people's lives in danger chasing go-fasts being manned by possibly armed drug runners in order to provide the suspects "due process?"  if they want due process, they can comply and stop running.  Otherwise, they made the wrong choice.

Can you post examples of these poorly armed militias you speak of that cost us dearly many times?

I know cops can't shoot drug dealers for just dealing drugs.  You're the one that posted the what if example about them executing drug dealers.

U must not understand logistics.  Drug boats purposely evade our ships.  So often aircraft has a much quicker response.  So to have our ships intercept is difficult.

Is there "due process" in international waters?  If you think non-citzens who aren't on US soil can get "due process", then they also must be afforded their 2nd amendment right too.  Cause you know, you cannot pick and choose which rights someone smuggling drugs by ocean get.

The US isn't part of the UN Conventions of the Law of the Sea.  And you haven't learned that when Trump does things, he knows he will get the fake news and liberals on his case about it.  So I will assume that he checked into the legality of it.

The US is finally sending a message to the cartels.  I hope he authorizes more of this.

Are you familiar with the events with the downing of 2 Blackhawks in Somalia?

The point in pointing out to you that cops don't shoot drug dealers just for being drug dealers is to show the flaw in the argument that killing them people on the boat is justified to keep people from getting their hands on drugs and dying. If being a drug dealer is enough to summarily execute them then it doesn't matter whether they are Americans or not.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" - The Declaration of Independence.
Funny, I don't see any mention of God giving rights to only Americans. If you are an atheist and don't believe in inherent rights then that is fine but you undercut a number of arguments for 2nd amendment rights (among others).

Mules who transport the drugs are not knowledgable of the cartel's operations.  They get hired to do one thing, and there's no reason for them to know any more than that.  Hoping to get information is shortsighted.

is it your belief that we should put our people's lives in danger chasing go-fasts being manned by possibly armed drug runners in order to provide the suspects "due process?"  if they want due process, they can comply and stop running.  Otherwise, they made the wrong choice.

That small amount of information they do know is still useful and like I said, they can be used to work up the food chain so even if they didn't know much they could still assist in capturing a bigger fish.

The US coast guard has snipers who train to shoot engines on speed boats while they are running, you act like blowing the vessel up is the only way. You want them to comply and stop running, were they given a chance? Did the missile have a speaker telling them to stop the boat in the fraction of a second before it blew up? We put our people in danger to stop drug dealers all the time, when cops stop a drug dealer, when the coast guard intercepts a boat, etc.

And what happens if/when we target a boat of innocent people?

That small amount of information they do know is still useful and like I said, they can be used to work up the food chain so even if they didn't know much they could still assist in capturing a bigger fish.

The US coast guard has snipers who train to shoot engines on speed boats while they are running, you act like blowing the vessel up is the only way. You want them to comply and stop running, were they given a chance? Did the missile have a speaker telling them to stop the boat in the fraction of a second before it blew up? We put our people in danger to stop drug dealers all the time, when cops stop a drug dealer, when the coast guard intercepts a boat, etc.

And what happens if/when we target a boat of innocent people?

Tell me you didn't bother to watch the video i posted without telling me you didn't bother to watch the video I posted.

All interdictions involve warnings and shots across the bow to send a clear message -- stop running.  So, yes, they are all given a chance.

These are not "drug dealers.'  Stop conflating these mass traffickers with the people dealing to users.

If the targeted boat is innocent, they won't run.  They will comply with lawful orders to shut down their engines and do as ordered when boarded.  Being innocent is not a license to disobey the US Navy or Coast Guard personnel when ordered to stop and be boarded.  You seem to think every crime is supposed to be provided due process on the spot in the field before an investigation even begins.

so you have nothing
got it...

prove it...

Are you familiar with the events with the downing of 2 Blackhawks in Somalia?

The point in pointing out to you that cops don't shoot drug dealers just for being drug dealers is to show the flaw in the argument that killing them people on the boat is justified to keep people from getting their hands on drugs and dying. If being a drug dealer is enough to summarily execute them then it doesn't matter whether they are Americans or not.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" - The Declaration of Independence.
Funny, I don't see any mention of God giving rights to only Americans. If you are an atheist and don't believe in inherent rights then that is fine but you undercut a number of arguments for 2nd amendment rights (among others).

You posted about militia type and "many times".  You just provided an example for 1 event that happened many years ago.  Why not mention our war against the crown as that too had the militia involved.  And if you look at the numbers, the kill death ratio was heavily in our favor in Mogadishu.  But the trump factor is 1 US life is worth way more than 1 skinny's life.

Your "point being" is flawed as the military operate on separate rules.  Do you believe that cops have missiles too? Or do you believe that cops operate under the same rules as the military does?  f you do, then anyone killed in a war also requires "due process" that you talk of.

You writing the declaration of independence is funny.  Do you think this applies on non US soil?  You must do since you posted about it and mentioned Americans.  And you're ignoring how our rights in HI are being violated (2A).  So this statement is being violated all the time in HI.

Your entire reply is funny. Thanks for playing.

Add on the fact that the missile strike arguably isn't even legal.
Trump has authority to designate Tren De Aragua a terrorist organization but that designation doesn't give him authority to kill the people on the boat.

They dive into the legality in the beginning of this podcast.
https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/congress-wont-contradict-trump/

Tell me you didn't bother to watch the video i posted without telling me you didn't bother to watch the video I posted.

All interdictions involve warnings and shots across the bow to send a clear message -- stop running.  So, yes, they are all given a chance.

These are not "drug dealers.'  Stop conflating these mass traffickers with the people dealing to users.

If the targeted boat is innocent, they won't run.  They will comply with lawful orders to shut down their engines and do as ordered when boarded.  Being innocent is not a license to disobey the US Navy or Coast Guard personnel when ordered to stop and be boarded.  You seem to think every crime is supposed to be provided due process on the spot in the field before an investigation even begins.

Drug deliverers vs drug dealers is a pointless distinction when the issue is the summary execution of them.

Were these guys given a chance to surrender before struck by a missile? Maybe I missed that part of the video. Were they even running?

If the targeted boat was innocent they won't run? If you didn't do anything wrong you won't mind cops searching your car.

Your argument is basically due process for me but not for thee.

You posted about militia type and "many times".  You just provided an example for 1 event that happened many years ago.  Why not mention our war against the crown as that too had the militia involved.  And if you look at the numbers, the kill death ratio was heavily in our favor in Mogadishu.  But the trump factor is 1 US life is worth way more than 1 skinny's life.

Your "point being" is flawed as the military operate on separate rules.  Do you believe that cops have missiles too? Or do you believe that cops operate under the same rules as the military does?  f you do, then anyone killed in a war also requires "due process" that you talk of.

You writing the declaration of independence is funny.  Do you think this applies on non US soil?  You must do since you posted about it and mentioned Americans.  And you're ignoring how our rights in HI are being violated (2A).  So this statement is being violated all the time in HI.

Your entire reply is funny. Thanks for playing.

Only need one example to prove it is possible.

Never said the military operates on the same rules as cops but that isn't an excuse to use excessive force. I remember when people were upset that Obama used a predator drone to blow up an American who had joined an Islamic terrorist group, someone actually trying to kill Americans. Now because it is Trump, blowing up a boat of supposed drug runners is perfectly fine. I say supposed because 11 is a lot more than needed to move drugs and they weren't near the USA so how do we even know they were headed for the USA.

Due process doesn't apply when someone is actively trying to kill you. Cops don't have to give due process when someone pulls a gun on them.

I notice you avoided the issue, did God only give rights to people on US soil or do you subscribe to the belief there are no inherent human rights, just rights created by law?

so you went and researched further on the missile strike, but didn't research your incorrect statement about the national guard?
got it...

Add on the fact that the missile strike arguably isn't even legal.
Trump has authority to designate Tren De Aragua a terrorist organization but that designation doesn't give him authority to kill the people on the boat.

They dive into the legality in the beginning of this podcast.
https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/congress-wont-contradict-trump/

Add on the fact that the missile strike arguably isn't even legal.
Trump has authority to designate Tren De Aragua a terrorist organization but that designation doesn't give him authority to kill the people on the boat.

They dive into the legality in the beginning of this podcast.
https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/congress-wont-contradict-trump/

missing a LOT of information.

Drug deliverers vs drug dealers is a pointless distinction when the issue is the summary execution of them.

Were these guys given a chance to surrender before struck by a missile? Maybe I missed that part of the video. Were they even running?

If the targeted boat was innocent they won't run? If you didn't do anything wrong you won't mind cops searching your car.

Your argument is basically due process for me but not for thee.

Major difference between a search and stopping to investigate.  Cops can investigate the driver and vehicle during a routine traffic stop.  If I take off at 100 mph, is it your opinion that I'm innocent and should not be stopped before I kill a real innocent?

Nobody being targeted with a missile is compliant and allowing a quick inspection -- which is our government's right according to international law.  Using a vehicle search as an analogy is totally irrelevant.  A boat on the high seas is not the same as a car on a highway.  Different set of laws and circumstances.

Due process?  Do you even know what that means?  If you're a cop being threatened by a man with a knife and you kill him, did he receive "due process" prior to being executed?  No, I'm not equating this with the boat interception.  I'm using it to illustrate the meaning of due process in legal terms.