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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #100 on: September 12, 2025, 12:02:19 PM »
I think this is nothing. At 200 yards, if that was the distance and with a 30-06, wind isn't so much a factor that you need people doing that.  It's more the elevation you need to factor in.  And from what I saw, it wasn't a windy day.  Like you don't see the tent blowing over or things like that.

To be fair, I've never shot at 200 yards before.  But I did shoot at 100 yards a Ruger Precision Rifle and was able to hit a 3 inch gong like there's no tomorrow.  It was so easy with regular 7.62 ammo that I got bored.  And hitting a 6 inch gong consistently with an AR15, regualar 223 ammo and a zero power red dot.

So I'm basing my above at double that distance isnt' that bad compared to a 500 yard shot.  I could be wrong.
30.06 with 180gr Sierra Matchking with 100 yd zero has a bullet drop of 3.82" .  Temple poa + 3-3/4'' drop puts poi in neck

Rework it for 150 yards or less and with a scope.  Those are the factors reported so far.
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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #101 on: September 12, 2025, 12:12:54 PM »
Rework it for 150 yards or less and with a scope.  Those are the factors reported so far.
Yes - this is correct, LE diagrams show approx. 140 yards.  Not much drop at all with a .30-06 at that range.
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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #102 on: September 12, 2025, 12:14:48 PM »
OK, Tin Foil Hat time.

  If Mr. Kirk was shot in the right side of the neck and projectile exited left side of neck, why does all of the info/graphics put shooter pretty much directly in front of Mr. Kirk ?
Sorry, but from the horrendous up close video (shot from in front, slightly to his right side), looks like entry & exit was on the left side of his neck, consistent with assassin firing from the left front elevation, which seems to match the location indicated on the rooftop.  He also spasms to his left and goes down.  If left side entry at downward angle, it seems the bullet may have also hit his shoulder blade on exit (sorry this is firkin gruesome).

So I'm wondering where did the info he was shot (entry wound) on the right side of his neck come from? - Thanks
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #103 on: September 12, 2025, 12:15:24 PM »
OK, Tin Foil Hat time.

  I personally do not see the presence of a rifle on shooter after assassination and there is no evidence (visual or testimony) that alleged shooter was ever seen with a long gun
There was mention of a screwdriver present perhaps to a
The video I posted in the MSNBC video clearly shows the shooter climbing and jumping down from the roof while he held something large enough to be a rifle.  It looked like it could have been a jacket or gun bag covering it, but we now know from the press conference the gun was found wrapped in a towel which is consistent with the way the object appeared.

Due to the low resolution of the video, it's difficult to see the exact shape, so we'll have to be happy with consistency. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/know-charlie-kirks-assassination-rcna230552
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Rocky

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #104 on: September 12, 2025, 01:06:14 PM »
Rework it for 150 yards or less and with a scope.  Those are the factors reported so far.

    My point was bullet drop if zeroed at 100 yds for novice (not sniper/hunter) not taking into account the drop.
4" off center on a pressure shoot for novice is not unreasonable as I assume he was going for the headshot

Anywho with the same load info (180gr)
130 yds  = -0.55"
140 yds  = -0.85
150 yds  = -1.20"
170 yds  = -2.07"
190 yds  =  3.18"
via https://shooterscalculator.com

   For you purist, Hornady has higher values with 180gr CX

-0.7" at 130 yds
-1.4" at 150 yds
-3.0'' at 180 yds

Don't think the scope has anything to do with ballistic trajectory.   :rofl:
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Rocky

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2025, 01:19:19 PM »
The video I posted in the MSNBC video clearly shows the shooter climbing and jumping down from the roof while he held something large enough to be a rifle.  It looked like it could have been a jacket or gun bag covering it, but we now know from the press conference the gun was found wrapped in a towel which is consistent with the way the object appeared.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/know-charlie-kirks-assassination-rcna230552


WHICH IS IT "video clearly shows" OR low resolution video ?

"could have been a jacket or gun bag covering it"  OR "found wrapped in a towel"
Did he jump with it wrapped in his jacket, a gun bag or towel ?
I mean it's at least 44" long and over 8 lbs
I saw him jump with a backpack and flee with same.

YOUR LINK ABOVE SHOWS "Site of shooting"  DISTANCE BETWEEN SHOOTER AND MR. KIRK TO BE APPROXIMATELY  520  FEET a.k.a. 173.3333 yds

"so we'll have to be happy with consistency."
WHAT CONSISTENCY ?

   The left has consistently been telling us Trump is a fascist , racist, homophobic, mysogynist dictator for years and I'm still not happy.   :grrr:
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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2025, 01:33:22 PM »

I have no idea how this post came about quoting me, I did not write it

I think this is nothing. At 200 yards, if that was the distance and with a 30-06, wind isn't so much a factor that you need people doing that.  It's more the elevation you need to factor in.  And from what I saw, it wasn't a windy day.  Like you don't see the tent blowing over or things like that.

To be fair, I've never shot at 200 yards before.  But I did shoot at 100 yards a Ruger Precision Rifle and was able to hit a 3 inch gong like there's no tomorrow.  It was so easy with regular 7.62 ammo that I got bored.  And hitting a 6 inch gong consistently with an AR15, regualar 223 ammo and a zero power red dot.

So I'm basing my above at double that distance isnt' that bad compared to a 500 yard shot.  I could be wrong.
30.06 with 180gr Sierra Matchking with 100 yd zero has a bullet drop of 3.82" .  Temple poa + 3-3/4'' drop puts poi in neck
What I did post was "30.06 with 180gr Sierra Matchking with 100 yd zero has a bullet drop of 3.82" .  Temple poa + 3-3/4'' drop puts poi in neck"
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #107 on: September 12, 2025, 02:11:00 PM »

WHICH IS IT "video clearly shows" OR low resolution video ?
The two are not mutually exclusive.  For example, there is a video of a cop taking down a weapon-wielding attacker who has what clearly is a blade of some kind.  Only through the description of the video can we tell it's a machete.  I thought you'd be smarter than this.

"could have been a jacket or gun bag covering it"  OR "found wrapped in a towel"
Did he jump with it wrapped in his jacket, a gun bag or towel ?
I mean it's at least 44" long and over 8 lbs
I saw him jump with a backpack and flee with same.
You must not have watched the video I did.  He didn't have a backpack in his hands as he climbed down from the roof.


YOUR LINK ABOVE SHOWS "Site of shooting"  DISTANCE BETWEEN SHOOTER AND MR. KIRK TO BE APPROXIMATELY  520  FEET a.k.a. 173.3333 yds
So?  The final facts have yet to be released.  All we have now are preliminary reports and estimates.  You really ought to wait a few more days before jumping into the tin foil regurgitator.

"so we'll have to be happy with consistency."
WHAT CONSISTENCY ?
What i said,  That he had the rifle as he climbed down wrapped in something, he carried across the grass and sidewalk, and it was found in trees wrapped in a towel.  Surely you know how deductive reasoning works?  The video tracked his movements and that he was carrying something that looked large enough to be the rifle.

   The left has consistently been telling us Trump is a fascist , racist, homophobic, mysogynist dictator for years and I'm still not happy.   :grrr:
And they have also consistently been unable to provide evidence of those allegations.  Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands consistency isn't the same as proof.  I never said the videos proved anything -- only that they are consistent with the recent accounts of what was witness and the facts so far.

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2025, 02:19:09 PM »
I have no idea how this post came about quoting me, I did not write it
What I did post was "30.06 with 180gr Sierra Matchking with 100 yd zero has a bullet drop of 3.82" .  Temple poa + 3-3/4'' drop puts poi in neck"

I figured that out. I was reading it and was like "I said the same thing".  Only to realize like half way though that it was my writing. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2025, 02:23:46 PM »

    My point was bullet drop if zeroed at 100 yds for novice (not sniper/hunter) not taking into account the drop.
4" off center on a pressure shoot for novice is not unreasonable as I assume he was going for the headshot

Anywho with the same load info (180gr)
130 yds  = -0.55"
140 yds  = -0.85
150 yds  = -1.20"
170 yds  = -2.07"
190 yds  =  3.18"
via https://shooterscalculator.com

   For you purist, Hornady has higher values with 180gr CX

-0.7" at 130 yds
-1.4" at 150 yds
-3.0'' at 180 yds

Don't think the scope has anything to do with ballistic trajectory.   :rofl:

Kirk was hit in the neck.  Most assassins would probably go for a head shot (based on no actual facts in this case -- just conjecture).  So, was the shot low?  Or was he going for the heart and wound up impacting high? Was he really aiming for the neck?  If so, he much have been an outstanding marksman to go for the smallest area of the torso and head.

You're analyzing something for which you don't have the critical data.  Any conclusions you derive are purely guesswork.

The scope could have a bullet drop reticle, which would give him the amount of drop to correct for given the distance at which it was zeroed and the distance to target.  Or maybe he never measured the yardage to target and got the whole thing wrong, meaning the shot was pure luck.

Take a breath.  i think you're wanting more answers than are available to the public now, and it's eating at you.
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changemyoil66

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2025, 02:24:24 PM »
I find it odd that he would spend time jumping down with the rifle, only to toss it in the bushes.  Why not just leave it?  Esp since he had writing on the brass, that shows his intent was for police to find it.  It could be possible that he was going to take it with him and dump it much far away, but someone saw him so he had to dump it there.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2025, 02:34:59 PM »
I find it odd that he would spend time jumping down with the rifle, only to toss it in the bushes.  Why not just leave it?  Esp since he had writing on the brass, that shows his intent was for police to find it.  It could be possible that he was going to take it with him and dump it much far away, but someone saw him so he had to dump it there.
He's not talking to investigators.  if he does decide to talk, then you can possibly find out what his thoughts were in that moment. 

They say people who commit their first murder make 100 mistakes, and you're lucky if you remember 10 of them.

One of the first rules of a firearm crime is "Don't get caught with the weapon."  That firearm directly links you to the crime.  Maybe his intent was to leave it at the scene, but then he wondered what he'd do if caught?  Did he keep it in order to kill himself if cornered?  Maybe the gun can be traced to him or a friend.  All the engravings MAY have been so the public could see them, or maybe it was his version of war paint -- getting ready to go into battle with messages meant to give him courage?

This "what if" game could go on and on.   :popcorn:
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2025, 02:43:47 PM »
I find it odd that he would spend time jumping down with the rifle, only to toss it in the bushes.  Why not just leave it?  Esp since he had writing on the brass, that shows his intent was for police to find it.  It could be possible that he was going to take it with him and dump it much far away, but someone saw him so he had to dump it there.
… or he’s just a kid.

A demonically obsessed or possessed kid.

That’s what I mean when I say cartoonish.

I mean - if the reports are true -  it is the same pattern, right down to writing messages on cartridges, etc., like Mangione, like the Catholic kid killer, and this thing.

All assassins of innocents, all basically kids ….

I.e. bots from hell
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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #113 on: September 12, 2025, 03:59:52 PM »
WHICH IS IT "video clearly shows" OR low resolution video ?
The two are not mutually exclusive.  For example, there is a video of a cop taking down a weapon-wielding attacker who has what clearly is a blade of some kindOnly through the description of the video can we tell it's a machete.  I thought you'd be smarter than this.
There was no rifle clearly visible nor was there a description of a rifle in the video so your comparison is moot.   

"could have been a jacket or gun bag covering it"  OR "found wrapped in a towel"
Did he jump with it wrapped in his jacket, a gun bag or towel ?
I mean it's at least 44" long and over 8 lbs
I saw him jump with a backpack and flee with same.
You must not have watched the video I did.  He didn't have a backpack in his hands as he climbed down from the roof.

YOUR LINK ABOVE SHOWS "Site of shooting"  DISTANCE BETWEEN SHOOTER AND MR. KIRK TO BE APPROXIMATELY  520  FEET a.k.a. 173.3333 yds
So?  The final facts have yet to be released.  All we have now are preliminary reports and estimates.  You really ought to wait a few more days before jumping into the tin foil regurgitator.

"so we'll have to be happy with consistency."
WHAT CONSISTENCY ?
What i said,  That he had the rifle as he climbed down wrapped in something, he carried across the grass and sidewalk, and it was found in trees wrapped in a towel.  Surely you know how deductive reasoning works?  The video tracked his movements and that he was carrying something that looked large enough to be the rifle.
How do you know he had the rifle if it was wrapped in something ? Did you actually SEE the rifle ? "something that looked large enough to be the rifle." is not necessarily a rifle. I could not discern him with an object 44" long
   The left has consistently been telling us Trump is a fascist , racist, homophobic, misogynist dictator for years and I'm still not happy.   :grrr:
And they have also consistently been unable to provide evidence of those allegations.  Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands consistency isn't the same as proof.  I never said the videos proved anything -- only that they are consistent with the recent accounts of what was witness and the facts so far.

      Please re-read your comments like . . .
 ''I thought you'd be smarter than this.''
'' jumping into the tin foil regurgitator.''
''Surely you know how deductive reasoning works?''
''Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands''

    My first statement in my op was "OK, Tin Foil Hat time." ending with popcorn.
I thought that would sum it up.
Was just trying to have an open dialogue, "Prove me wrong".  :thumbsup:
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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #114 on: September 12, 2025, 04:20:56 PM »
      Please re-read your comments like . . .
 ''I thought you'd be smarter than this.''
'' jumping into the tin foil regurgitator.''
''Surely you know how deductive reasoning works?''
''Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands''

    My first statement in my op was "OK, Tin Foil Hat time." ending with popcorn.
I thought that would sum it up.
Was just trying to have an open dialogue, "Prove me wrong".  :thumbsup:
You express yourself well.
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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #115 on: September 12, 2025, 04:22:08 PM »
I found this video that weighs in on the ballistic impact component of his murder. I feel like this one is worth sharing



Apparently Charlie was wearing thin body armor under his white tshirt. This video suggests he died of a ballistic ricochet to the neck from the top edge of his armor plate rather than a direct neck-shot.
That would explain why I never noticed an exit wound.

So the @$$h0l3 missed but got lucky.

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Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #116 on: September 12, 2025, 04:33:28 PM »
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changemyoil66

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #118 on: September 12, 2025, 05:09:01 PM »
I saw the vids before he took his chair, it didn't look like he was wearing soft armor.  You can see his tits/nipples as he's tossing hats.

ren

Re: Charlie Kirk dead at age 31
« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2025, 05:10:40 PM »
Sometimes our enthusiasm for our sport / hobby can overshadow what is really important.
The gun has been found. The caliber, color, type of gun that was used is not important. Charlie is gone. His children don't have a dad and his wife is alone.
What is important is defending his name and moving forward with his messages. There are sick people still mocking Charlie AND his family. They really are sick.
They kneeled for a criminal and they smeared, disrespected a great human being.



Don't let them erase Charlie.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2025, 05:18:57 PM by ren »
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