Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13 (Read 9049 times)

Jkeone808

Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« on: January 10, 2013, 07:17:57 PM »
I know, I know, another piers Morgan video, but this one in my opinion is the best one I've seen.



"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

Haoleb

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 07:58:55 PM »
Piers is such a moron. Every single interview like this is just him saying the same things over and over. I really wish we could just boot his ass out. Is common sense this hard to come by now days?

42itus

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 08:11:47 PM »
Thanks for posting this.  It's funny because Piers has an agenda, but it's strengthening 2A because he has nothing to stand on.

Izanagi

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 08:19:46 PM »
in the end, piers is loving this.  He's bringing all these people on his show to talk about guns and by doing that, he is increasing his viewers.

Bunker

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 08:21:41 PM »
« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 08:34:41 PM by Bunker »

Jkeone808

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 10:01:54 PM »
Piers is such a moron. Every single interview like this is just him saying the same things over and over. I really wish we could just boot his ass out. Is common sense this hard to come by now days?

Exactly, when he gets shut down he repeats himself over and over and over.
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

Echo5Alpha

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 10:14:59 PM »
Although I wasn't clear about it, Shapiro's approach was the premises of my earlier thread "Choose your own crime stats".   He touches on sensationalism and how just a few incidents with a "Circle of Attention" type of firearm causes this widespread panic.  In all honesty I want the liberals to actually find out how idiotic they sound when they fear the magazine fed rifle and cite its mass killing potential only to then look at the crime stats and see how Handguns have a higher statistic involvement with firearm related deaths.  I find the cliche saying hypocritical "I support the 2A, and believe citizens should be allowed to own handguns, but not an assault weapon".

In essence I want the left to attack and propose an out right ban so they can  realize their stupidity in their lack of a stance.  We all know too damn well the out right ban will spark a movement.

What I tend to argue with anyone having an anti-2A stance is that they hold consistency in their arguments.  If their believe in their 1A then they must recognize the 2A as it's part of the Constitution.  If they're concern for the safety of people and hold this anti stance then hold it across the board for all firearms and not just a handpicked group of them.  I'll tend to respect anyone's stance if they're consistent, whether or not I agree is a different story. 

spanner1751

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 10:35:57 PM »
I was disappointed that Shapiro didn't school Piers on the true definition of "assault weapon". I think that most of these people on the left truly believe that Bushmasters and AR-15s are fully automatic rifles.
Although all of his guests have managed to get in some valid points, I'm afraid that it will take someone with the razor sharp wit of a William F. Buckley, Jr. to really make Piers see the error of his ways. 

xer 21

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 10:39:22 PM »
i always know when Piers Morgan is losing an argument because he tries to stop the other person from finishing.

Colt808

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 10:55:01 PM »
I know, I know, another piers Morgan video, but this one in my opinion is the best one I've seen.



Shapiro was calm and well spoken...but just what has been repeated over and over. Probably the best thing said: "Don't lump me in with Alex Jones." Unfortunately it really doesn't fix the damage done by Jones playing into Morgan's agenda.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

Colt808

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 10:58:04 PM »
i always know when Piers Morgan is losing an argument because he tries to stop the other person from finishing.
That's just how they are in the UK..."debates" are won by the person that talks over the other and does it calmly.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

ren

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 11:41:55 PM »
Piers is in the category of trash much like so-called reality shows where people with no acting skills are given a platform so they can wreck themselves. They sell, we like to watch and we accept it as "reality". He is a hack of a journalist. Emotion based arguments with irrational basis - but guess what WE watch it.
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sic_semper_tyrannis

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 12:07:17 AM »
This is the outcome I expected. Ben Shapiro is an excellent author and debater. I've seen the man dismantle leftards like no one's business.

You could tell that Piers lost this one when he went back to Shapiro's claim that he was standing on the graves of Sandy Hook. The fact that he had to re-address it shows me that he was off from the moment Ben Shapiro called him out on his BS.

cox308

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 01:18:46 AM »
Thank you for posting this! Love every second of it! Piers getting owned!   :geekdanc:

Jkeone808

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 01:24:29 AM »
Thank you for posting this! Love every second of it! Piers getting owned!   :geekdanc:

It was way too great of a video not to share  :shaka:
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

Mr. Farknocker

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 09:04:16 AM »
Loved the video.

Don't think for a moment that PM is the loser in any of his most recent interviews. He's smarter than most of us give him credit for. He's not out to change the law; he's out for ratings and he gets that whether he wins or loses. Think about it. He has certainly got our attention even though many of us paid him none prior to the Sandy Hook incident.  Ratings begats sponsorship, sponsorship begats $ for the producers and for PM and assures PM that he'll be around for another season. He has found the "hot topic" button and will milk it for all its worth until another highly debated issue arises.

drck1000

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 09:40:57 AM »
i always know when Piers Morgan is losing an argument because he tries to stop the other person from finishing.
Yep, pretty much.

While many 2A supporters or pro-gun people may not agree with Shapiro's stance on gun control, he demonstrated how to go about having a rational conversation, supported by facts in these types of arguments.  It was clear that he was prepared and he did a lot of homework on the subject.  I believe Shapiro's point was more on Morgan's bullying tactics by calling anyone who disagrees with him a "stupid person" and trying to get them to react on emotion than rationally.  I just with more pro-gun people would take the same approach. 

GZire

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 09:52:45 AM »
i always know when Piers Morgan is losing an argument because he tries to stop the other person from finishing.

I've taken a fair amount of seminars/classes/etc.  One other reason why people cut others off is that they have no respect for them or their views.

Cougar8045

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 11:46:40 AM »
Yep, pretty much.

While many 2A supporters or pro-gun people may not agree with Shapiro's stance on gun control, he demonstrated how to go about having a rational conversation, supported by facts in these types of arguments.  It was clear that he was prepared and he did a lot of homework on the subject.  I believe Shapiro's point was more on Morgan's bullying tactics by calling anyone who disagrees with him a "stupid person" and trying to get them to react on emotion than rationally.  I just with more pro-gun people would take the same approach.
I'm glad you said that, because as soon as Shapiro said he was ok with a registry, I was like, "Whooooaaah, bucko!" 

I believe that Shapiro is right when he talks about the primary purpose of the Second Amendment being a hedge against tyranny.  What I don't get is, if you rightly believe that, in what world would it make sense to provide that same potential tyrant with a list of who owns what guns, how many, and where they live? 

It would be like if the US had, during the Cold War, provided the Soviets with a list of all US nuclear missile silos and ballistic missile submarine patrol areas.  (If someone had done it then, they'd have garnered a lengthy prison sentence or a noose for their treason!)
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

Inspector

Re: Piers Morgan gets OWNED by Ben Shapiro 1/10/13
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 11:51:24 AM »
I was disappointed that Shapiro didn't school Piers on the true definition of "assault weapon". I think that most of these people on the left truly believe that Bushmasters and AR-15s are fully automatic rifles.
Although all of his guests have managed to get in some valid points, I'm afraid that it will take someone with the razor sharp wit of a William F. Buckley, Jr. to really make Piers see the error of his ways.
I agree with you 100%. Just to be fair though Piers did call them "assault style weapons" a couple of times. Which in my mind can be just as misleading to the uninformed/uneducated.

Otherwise I think this young man did a great job in that (If you can call it an) Interview.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!