Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed (Read 8272 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2025, 10:52:54 AM »
It's pretty simple. 

If an investigation is closed, it's closed.  Unless new evidence is discovered or proof that the investigation was tainted, then opening up another investigation is not only political BS, but a total waste of tax payer money.

Are you saying you trust that law enforcement never cover up a crime? They never are corruptly ordered to stop investigating something? Re-opening the investigation isn't BS or a waste if it was improperly closed. Furthermore, letting congress look at it isn't re-opening it either.



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What EEF wants to do is what most in the judicial system refer to as a fishing expedition.  You have no new evidence beyond what was already considered in the fir investigation, but you want authority to continue upending this man and his family's lives because you lost.  Plain and simple.

Wrong, if they have video of him accepting a bribe, then that isn't a fishing expedition. Fishing expeditions are when you have no evidence of a crime, you just go searching for something.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2025, 11:04:39 AM »
Are you saying you trust that law enforcement never cover up a crime? They never are corruptly ordered to stop investigating something? Re-opening the investigation isn't BS or a waste if it was improperly closed. Furthermore, letting congress look at it isn't re-opening it either.

I said what I meant.  Show me where Congress has a mandate to distrust law enforcement and to reinvestigate EVERY CASE THAT ENDS WITH NO CHARGES without any evidence the investigators were corrupt.

Wrong, if they have video of him accepting a bribe, then that isn't a fishing expedition. Fishing expeditions are when you have no evidence of a crime, you just go searching for something.

No.  A fishing expedition is when you manufacture an excuse to investigate someone over an unproven allegation, and then wind up charging him for a totally unrelated crime.  "We went through his finances.  No sign of a bribe, but it looks like he may have underpaid his taxes 10 years ago."  Fishing.

Have you seen this video?  How do you know it exists? 

EEF:  Congress has to investigate, because law enforcement is corrupt and they lie.

Also EEF:  The video proves there was a crime. We have to trust the investigators who recorded the video, because they wouldn't lie.


 :crazy:

Remember Gen. Michael Flynn?  He was convicted of lying to investigators, but he was never charged with anything resulting from the actual investigation. 

Sometimes the investigation is used as a means of getting you to squeal on your boss rather than risk the feds combing through your life.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2025, 11:20:46 AM »
I said what I meant.  Show me where Congress has a mandate to distrust law enforcement and to reinvestigate EVERY CASE THAT ENDS WITH NO CHARGES without any evidence the investigators were corrupt.

Mandate? No. Ability? Yes. BTW no one said congress should reinvestigate every case.
Who else has the power to check the president/DOJ if there is an allegation they are committing a corrupt action? You trust people in such power to basically say "I investigated my good friend and he didn't do anything wrong, trust me, no need to have someone else look at it."?

Did you make this same argument against congress looking into the Steele Dossier fiasco?


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No.  A fishing expedition is when you manufacture an excuse to investigate someone over an unproven allegation, and then wind up charging him for a totally unrelated crime.  "We went through his finances.  No sign of a bribe, but it looks like he may have underpaid his taxes 10 years ago."  Fishing.

Where is the evidence that it was a fishing expedition?


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Have you seen this video?  How do you know it exists?

We already covered this

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2025, 11:28:55 AM »
Mandate? No. Ability? Yes. BTW no one said congress should reinvestigate every case.
Who else has the power to check the president/DOJ if there is an allegation they are committing a corrupt action? You trust people in such power to basically say "I investigated my good friend and he didn't do anything wrong, trust me, no need to have someone else look at it."?

Did you make this same argument against congress looking into the Steele Dossier fiasco?


Where is the evidence that it was a fishing expedition?


We already covered this
Says the person who believes red flag laws will be justly applied and executed.

The Steele Dosiere was debunked by the Dossiers leading author: Steele himself.  That was about the time of Trump's first inauguration.  Yet, the FBI continued to use that misinformation to go after Trump and his administration for years, costing tax payers millions, and resulting in no charges for Trump or his people as related to the Russia-Collusion hoax.  Comey tried to claim ignorance, and after he left the FBI, he told an interviewer that, had he known then what he knows now, he would have never gone after Trump.  Now he's being arrested and charged.

Not a good example, since we knew the hoax was a hoax early on, but the crime of basing an investigation on it continued until the Mueller report ended it.

With Homan, the people investigating found no evidence.  This time they have the good sense to not keep taking bites at the same apple.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2025, 11:45:45 AM »
Says the person who believes red flag laws will be justly applied and executed.

I never made that argument.

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The Steele Dosiere was debunked by the Dossiers leading author: Steele himself.  That was about the time of Trump's first inauguration.  Yet, the FBI continued to use that misinformation to go after Trump and his administration for years, costing tax payers millions, and resulting in no charges for Trump or his people as related to the Russia-Collusion hoax.  Comey tried to claim ignorance, and after he left the FBI, he told an interviewer that, had he known then what he knows now, he would have never gone after Trump.  Now he's being arrested and charged.

Cool story, so did you object when congress looked into it?



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With Homan, the people investigating found no evidence.  This time they have the good sense to not keep taking bites at the same apple.

You don't know that, you only hear a Trump lackey say there was no evidence. So again, why not have congress look at it as well and verify? It would show the source was unreliable, Trump didn't engage in corruption, and Homan didn't take a bribe.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2025, 11:54:40 AM »
I never made that argument.
No, you chose to ignore it and push for red flag laws in spite of government corruption, their incompetence, and abuse by the public, law enforcement and the courts.

Cool story, so did you object when congress looked into it?

Are you that dumb?  As I said there should be evidence/proof of corruption or an incomplete investigation.  We had that proof.  Try again.

You don't know that, you only hear a Trump lackey say there was no evidence. So again, why not have congress look at it as well and verify? It would show the source was unreliable, Trump didn't engage in corruption, and Homan didn't take a bribe.

There were no charges.  That tells me more than a "Trump lackey" believed there was no evidence.  Try again.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2025, 12:58:35 PM »
Says the person who believes red flag laws will be justly applied and executed.

The Steele Dosiere was debunked by the Dossiers leading author: Steele himself.  That was about the time of Trump's first inauguration.  Yet, the FBI continued to use that misinformation to go after Trump and his administration for years, costing tax payers millions, and resulting in no charges for Trump or his people as related to the Russia-Collusion hoax.  Comey tried to claim ignorance, and after he left the FBI, he told an interviewer that, had he known then what he knows now, he would have never gone after Trump.  Now he's being arrested and charged.

Not a good example, since we knew the hoax was a hoax early on, but the crime of basing an investigation on it continued until the Mueller report ended it.

With Homan, the people investigating found no evidence.  This time they have the good sense to not keep taking bites at the same apple.

Don't bother explaining, we have an entir election fraud thread with details about this.  Our facts haven't changed as we posted about truths and logic.  WHen someone relies on feelings, they forget facts.

changemyoil66

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2025, 12:58:59 PM »
I never made that argument.




Ohhhhh booooyyyy.  Here we go again.

macsak

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2025, 03:11:02 PM »
please show it was a trump lackey said there was no evidence...

You don't know that, you only hear a Trump lackey say there was no evidence.

macsak

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2025, 03:12:01 PM »
focus

homan had no role in the govt at that time...

What does that matter?

macsak

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2025, 03:24:40 PM »
focus
you said congress can investigate the executive branch
homan was not in the executive branch when the alleged bribe occurred

What does that matter?

macsak

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2025, 03:24:59 PM »
oops
never mind...

please show it was a trump lackey said there was no evidence...

eyeeatingfish

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2025, 12:29:47 PM »
No, you chose to ignore it and push for red flag laws in spite of government corruption, their incompetence, and abuse by the public, law enforcement and the courts.

I ignored it because it is a spurious argument. The argument that law can be abused by law enforcement, the courts, etc. is a stupid argument to make because it isn't an argument specifically about red flags, it is an argument against any and all criminal laws. No law can ever be made or enforced because there always is a possibility it could be abused. Unless you are an anarchist this is a pointless argument to make because it burns down an entire legal system just to justify a single position you support.


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Are you that dumb?  As I said there should be evidence/proof of corruption or an incomplete investigation.  We had that proof.  Try again.

What proof? Kash Patel saying there was nothing there isn't proof.


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There were no charges.  That tells me more than a "Trump lackey" believed there was no evidence.  Try again.

There were no charges against Biden, against Obama, against Hillary. I guess that is proof to you that they are all innocent too? Or do you want us all to believe that impropriety only happens on one side?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2025, 12:31:05 PM »
focus
you said congress can investigate the executive branch
homan was not in the executive branch when the alleged bribe occurred

I figured it was obvious but I will spell it out for you...
Congress can investigate the decision to close the Homan case.

macsak

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2025, 12:36:58 PM »
nothing is obvious in what you write
because you are constantly posting thought experiments and other bullshit rather than stating an opinion...

I figured it was obvious but I will spell it out for you...
Congress can investigate the decision to close the Homan case.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2025, 12:45:23 PM »
nothing is obvious in what you write
because you are constantly posting thought experiments and other bullshit rather than stating an opinion...
When he does state an opinion, it's usually wrong anyway.

People who stand for nothing fall for anything.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2025, 01:00:14 PM »
nothing is obvious in what you write
because you are constantly posting thought experiments and other bullshit rather than stating an opinion...

You are backtracking now. I clearly stated an opinion and gave reasons for it.

You brought up an irrelevant defense that doesn't make sense. The issue at stake here is that there is a claim Homan took a bribe and that the DOJ covered it up. It should have been obvious with a basic understanding of how the three branches of government work.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2025, 01:01:57 PM »
When he does state an opinion, it's usually wrong anyway.

People who stand for nothing fall for anything.

Opinions by definition are neither right nor wrong. Do you not understand what an opinion is?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2025, 01:21:05 PM »
Opinions by definition are neither right nor wrong. Do you not understand what an opinion is?

By whose definition?  Yours?  Your handlers?

Opinions are not always about what color you like or whether you prefer chocolate or vanilla ice cream.

Opinions of important events, topics and polices ARE able to be judged right or wrong.  They should be supported by facts and desired outcomes.  e.g. If I have the opinion that killing anyone who disagrees with me as much as you do is justified, is that opinion Right?  Wrong?  Neither?

The courts issue hundreds of opinions daily based on laws, precedence and the facts of the cases.  I guess none of them were right or wrong?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Tom Homan accepted bribe of $50,000, investigation closed
« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2025, 01:33:31 PM »
By whose definition?  Yours?  Your handlers?

Opinions are not always about what color you like or whether you prefer chocolate or vanilla ice cream.

Opinions of important events, topics and polices ARE able to be judged right or wrong.  They should be supported by facts and desired outcomes.  e.g. If I have the opinion that killing anyone who disagrees with me as much as you do is justified, is that opinion Right?  Wrong?  Neither?

The courts issue hundreds of opinions daily based on laws, precedence and the facts of the cases.  I guess none of them were right or wrong?

Thus, you just proved the statement you made about EEF usually being wrong.