revolvers win again 

Yes, you can carry a revolver with full confidence, all the way around,

and …

modern revolvers are generally gorgeous baby!

Just practice with whatever your choice is.

Just practice with whatever your choice is.

Well, I guess this is as far as our little revolver parade is going to get.

We ran into some rain

Well, I guess this is as far as our little revolver parade is going to get.

We ran into some rain

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I had a sw m19 that broke twice.
I had a sw m29 that broke once.
I had a super blackhawk that hurt like hell...until I got rid of it.
Yesterday, I shot a Taurus 9mm revolver that had difficulty hitting paper at the 25 yd range.
I had to adjust the sights all the way to the right, and it was still shooting about 8 in. left.
Generally, revolvers are pickier about what ammo you feed them...the point of impact changes.
I would have no problem CCW with a revolver, but it would need to be thoroughly vetted first...i.e. practice with it.
The same goes for any gun you pick.

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I had a sw m19 that broke twice.
I had a sw m29 that broke once.
I had a super blackhawk that hurt like hell...until I got rid of it.
Yesterday, I shot a Taurus 9mm revolver that had difficulty hitting paper at the 25 yd range.
I had to adjust the sights all the way to the right, and it was still shooting about 8 in. left.
Generally, revolvers are pickier about what ammo you feed them...the point of impact changes.
I would have no problem CCW with a revolver, but it would need to be thoroughly vetted first...i.e. practice with it.
The same goes for any gun you pick.

The first revolver I bought 20 something years ago was an sw 610 in 10mm.  This was back when sw had serious quality control issues.

Not knowing how to properly check revolver timing, I took it to the range.  Couldn’t figure out why the cylinder was between stops after each round….

Finally realized that it came from the factory without being properly fitted, I.e. timing of cylinder lockup completely off.  So I bought Kuhnhausen’s manual and completely rebuilt it - and that’s when I became a true believer in revolvers: Must be hand fitted and timed, and it’s such a beautiful clockwork mechanism, that once done, is essentially perfect.

DA trigger pull on a properly fitted revolver is perfectly smooth and consistent from start to sear release:  There is no take-up to some resistance point that must be broken.  It is just one, continuous motion, to shot break - this is seldom discussed, but it has form/mental advantages for the marksman.

My revolvers are 100% reliable always, and more accurate than any human is.

As I acquire the target and start the gears turning, know everything going on in there - can feel it all working together, and I have absolute confidence it will go exactly where it’s pointed at, every.single.time.

There is no ballistic compromise with a revolver when it comes to ammunition - no concern whatsoever about cycling - you choose the round that is correct for you with respect to terminal ballistics, etc., no limits.

A modern revolver is ready to fire always, and in between times is as inert with respect to discharge as ammo in a box.

In .357 Mag, nowadays you get 8 rounds in the cylinder, and various options for fast reload if you’re obsessed about such things.

A semiauto is not up to most of these things, period.

That’s just how it is - so not going to concede one damn bit of it, and super glad I know it.

rule of three's in a civilian defensive gun fight:
3 shots at 3 yards lasting 3 seconds
you probably not even going line up the sights at 3 yards
with 3 shots you not going need to reload
at 3 yards you probably will hit something on the other guy. maybe center mass, maybe a shoulder, head, leg, etc  as long as you have practice with that revolver

if you're in bear country, a big bore revolver is what you want. although a 10mm semiauto will work too

for conceal carry, how many people actually carry an extra mag or 2 or a speedloader with them?

rule of three's in a civilian defensive gun fight:
3 shots at 3 yards lasting 3 seconds
you probably not even going line up the sights at 3 yards
with 3 shots you not going need to reload
at 3 yards you probably will hit something on the other guy. maybe center mass, maybe a shoulder, head, leg, etc  as long as you have practice with that revolver

if you're in bear country, a big bore revolver is what you want. although a 10mm semiauto will work too

Right.  If you’re a semiauto guy, throw racking the slide in there first while you’re seeking to avoid being killed ….

… or just be comfortable walking around all day with a gun whose striker desperately wants to mate with a primer dead ahead of it, but  just  can’t  quite  make it.

No fucking thanks.

why revolver beats semiauto at kokohead:
at 25 yards I can shoot my revolvers more accurately. longer sight radius with a 6 or 7.5 inch barrel
in single action the trigger is much better
much easier to collect the brass. no need bring brass catcher

and just in general, revolvers have no FTF, FTE, and no magazine issues

Right.  If you’re a semiauto guy, throw racking the slide in there first while you’re seeking to avoid being killed ….

… or just be comfortable walking around all day with a gun whose striker desperately wants to mate with a primer dead ahead of it, but  just  can’t  quite  make it.

No fucking thanks.

That's weird.  When I took a 5 day defensive handgun class at FrontSight, I was able to walk around open carrying.  At the end of the day, eager to get beck to the hotel, I'd stop at the closest gas & convenience store on the way and fill up, grab some refreshments, and hit the road.  Every one of the students that stopped there after class was still open carrying as far as I could tell.

Nobody in my class, nor anybody in that store, had a problem with a holstered or unholstered semi-auto, and i guarantee you everyone had a chambered round.  In class, you don't have time to rack the slide during the live fire exercises.  Some were timed.  Others were complicated enough you didn't want to waste time hoping your round was fed properly before starting to fire.  Not a single ND going from holster to firing the entire 5 days.  And no one, not even the employees s at that store, showed any negative attention to a bunch of armed people milling around looking for Gatorade and Twinkies.

BTW, i used my not-even-broken-in-yet SIG SAUER P320 to expend almost an entire 1,000 rd case of 9mm.  It should have been half that, but I was in a class with an odd number of students.  It seemed like i was the only attendee without a friend or relative to pair with, so I got to shoot all the exercises twice.  I am so glad i remembered to bring my Uplula speed loader!  Trying to keep my mags topped off was the biggest challenge.  When you have a partner, you can reload mags while they are shooting.

Anyway, i look at it as a risk A vs. risk B question.  This decision assumes you have settled on carrying a semi-auto.  You're choosing to risk getting harmed or unalived while trying to rack your slide without causing a malfunction.  The alternative is you are not risking a negligent discharge because you are not "comfortable walking around all day with a gun."  i see the argument from both sides, However, i never had to unholster my firearm while just walking around.  if you don't trust the gun to not fire when you don't want it to, how can you trust it to fire when you do need it to?  Same tool.  Either you trust it, or you don't.

You sound like you'd be better off with a SIG P226 or a 1911 (you can get a 1911 in 9mm, if we are staying in that neighborhood).  Depending on the revolver, it would not weigh that much less than a P226.  Do they even make polymer revolvers?    

The P226 is not striker fired.  You can carry with the hammer uncocked so the trigger is harder to pull but still able to get off a double-action first shot.  You chamber a round and easily de-cock the hammer.  This SIG P226 has a decocking lever, so it's safe to bring the hammer forward with a round in the chamber.  That setup is no different than a DA/SA revolver with all cylinders loaded.  IF, however, you leave a chamber empty so your first shot is always a dry-fire, you're giving yourself one fewer chances to get out of a bad situation.

The P226 is also all metal, which makes it a much better compliance persuader than any polymer framed pistol.

I'm only posting this so your comments don't convince others that carrying a striker-fired semi-auto in condition 0 [zero] is totally unsafe and that there is no other option for carrying a semi-auto besides striker-fired.  Safety in condition 0 comes down to familiarity and training with your carry gun -- and obviously one that you can trust not to fire while holstered.  I still trust the first P320 I bought, but I'm not sure about more recent batches.

why revolver beats semiauto at kokohead:
at 25 yards I can shoot my revolvers more accurately. longer sight radius with a 6 or 7.5 inch barrel
in single action the trigger is much better
much easier to collect the brass. no need bring brass catcher

and just in general, revolvers have to FTF, FTE, and no magazine issues

Key phrase:  at Kokohead.

Different factors to consider when choosing a concealed carry weapon.

I would have no problem CCW with a revolver, but it would need to be thoroughly vetted first...i.e. practice with it.

Sorry - it’s this attitude (nothing personal old fart - not bitching about you) respect to the semi/revolver question that gets me.

What many don’t understand is that most revolver fans came into the scene as semiauto fans - everyone is somewhat programmed that way coming into the sport/hobby/discipline.  It’s only after they learn a bit, open their thinking a bit, that they realize semiautos are not the be all and end all of defensive firearms - but it’s already cost them a lot of $$$ to find out.

Semiautos as open carry sidearms in LE & Military - no question.

But it’s very much the opposite for civilian concealed carry.  Revolvers have the upper hand with respect to reliability, safety, and instant lethality.

It’s always worth it to push back against narratives/notions that do not reflect reality as well as they could - and this is one of those.

That's weird.  When I took a 5 day defensive handgun class at FrontSight, I was able to walk around open carrying.  At the end of the day, eager to get beck to the hotel, I'd stop at the closest gas & convenience store on the way and fill up, grab some refreshments, and hit the road.  Every one of the students that stopped there after class was still open carrying as far as I could tell.

Nobody in my class, nor anybody in that store, had a problem with a holstered or unholstered semi-auto, and i guarantee you everyone had a chambered round.  In class, you don't have time to rack the slide during the live fire exercises.  Some were timed.  Others were complicated enough you didn't want to waste time hoping your round was fed properly before starting to fire.  Not a single ND going from holster to firing the entire 5 days.  And no one, not even the employees s at that store, showed any negative attention to a bunch of armed people milling around looking for Gatorade and Twinkies.

BTW, i used my not-even-broken-in-yet SIG SAUER P320 to expend almost an entire 1,000 rd case of 9mm.  It should have been half that, but I was in a class with an odd number of students.  It seemed like i was the only attendee without a friend or relative to pair with, so I got to shoot all the exercises twice.  I am so glad i remembered to bring my Uplula speed loader!  Trying to keep my mags topped off was the biggest challenge.  When you have a partner, you can reload mags while they are shooting.

Anyway, i look at it as a risk A vs. risk B question.  This decision assumes you have settled on carrying a semi-auto.  You're choosing to risk getting harmed or unalived while trying to rack your slide without causing a malfunction.  The alternative is you are not risking a negligent discharge because you are not "comfortable walking around all day with a gun."  i see the argument from both sides, However, i never had to unholster my firearm while just walking around.  if you don't trust the gun to not fire when you don't want it to, how can you trust it to fire when you do need it to?  Same tool.  Either you trust it, or you don't.

You sound like you'd be better off with a SIG P226 or a 1911 (you can get a 1911 in 9mm, if we are staying in that neighborhood).  Depending on the revolver, it would not weigh that much less than a P226.  Do they even make polymer revolvers?    

The P226 is not striker fired.  You can carry with the hammer uncocked so the trigger is harder to pull but still able to get off a double-action first shot.  You chamber a round and easily de-cock the hammer.  This SIG P226 has a decocking lever, so it's safe to bring the hammer forward with a round in the chamber.  That setup is no different than a DA/SA revolver with all cylinders loaded.  IF, however, you leave a chamber empty so your first shot is always a dry-fire, you're giving yourself one fewer chances to get out of a bad situation.

The P226 is also all metal, which makes it a much better compliance persuader than any polymer framed pistol.

I'm only posting this so your comments don't convince others that carrying a striker-fired semi-auto in condition 0 [zero] is totally unsafe and that there is no other option for carrying a semi-auto besides striker-fired.  Safety in condition 0 comes down to familiarity and training with your carry gun -- and obviously one that you can trust not to fire while holstered.  I still trust the first P320 I bought, but I'm not sure about more recent batches.
Key phrase:  at Kokohead.

Different factors to consider when choosing a concealed carry weapon.

Look, nothing you’ve said here changes the fact that “one in the tube” means the firearm is ready to fire and is prevented from doing so by mechanical safeties - some, on some pistols, you must also manually articulate before firing.

You’re cool with living in that reality in CCW.

It doesn’t exist for me - and I give up NOTHING THAT MATTERS for that,

… but you are welcome to it!

Look, nothing you’ve said here changes the fact that “one in the tube” means the firearm is ready to fire and is prevented from doing so by mechanical safeties - some, on some pistols, you must also manually articulate before firing.

You’re cool with living in that reality in CCW.

It doesn’t exist for me - and I give up NOTHING THAT MATTERS for that,

… but you are welcome to it!

You know what's one of the most common mistakes when drawing a semi-auto?  Accidentally pressing the mag release button while  trying to establish your grip.

With one in the chamber, you still have a chance.  if that chamber is empty, all your chances are either on the ground or failing to feed because the mag's not seated all the way.

I'm focused on the purpose for carrying.  When I draw, it won't be as a warning.  I want and expect an immediate "BANG!" 

Your focus is a bit different, which doesn't mean it's wrong.  The vast majority of pistol packing people will never have an occasion to draw, but they have a gun on them (hopefully) every day when out and about.  Odds of trying to defend yourself and having something go wrong?  Depends on the pistol and what safeties are involved.

As far as articulating safeties, that's where the practice comes in.  I had a 1911 shooter next to me in that class, and he could draw and fire as quickly as i could with a striker-fired P320 and no manual safeties.  He carried in condition 1.

Key phrase:  at Kokohead.

Different factors to consider when choosing a concealed carry weapon.

yes, I agree.with you
that's why my carry pistol is a P365. it's small, light weight, has red dot and night sights, holds 10 rounds, more if we are able to use the larger mags. and mine has the external safety which I like bc I carry in a fanny pack bc it's more comfortable for me to carry that way
at home I'll carry my LCR with night sight in a OWB kydex holster when I do yard work, or bbq, or smoke a cigar outside. its even lighter than the P365. sometimes I forget it's there

I'm focused on the purpose for carrying.  When I draw, it won't be as a warning.  I want and expect an immediate "BANG!" 

Your focus is a bit different, which doesn't mean it's wrong. 

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I’m really confused by this, as this is exactly the point I’m making:  Bang, first time every time when in the gravest extreme, no possibility of Bang otherwise unless YOU cause it by accident or mistake.  Revolvers more completely epitomize this characteristic mechanically, in their design.  In semiauto, Glock probably comes closest to this simplicity.  The firing pin channel block in the slide is the first and most secure safety preventing the striker from making it to the primer.  Modern revolvers have a steel hammer block, but then, the hammer isn’t cocked anyway, as the firing pin is in the Glock.

This horse is waaaay past dead.  You can tell when there seems to be differing opinions, but folks are apparently saying the same damn thing, back and forth!

yes, I agree.with you
that's why my carry pistol is a P365. it's small, light weight, has red dot and night sights, holds 10 rounds, more if we are able to use the larger mags. and mine has the external safety which I like bc I carry in a fanny pack bc it's more comfortable for me to carry that way
at home I'll carry my LCR with night sight in a OWB kydex holster when I do yard work, or bbq, or smoke a cigar outside. its even lighter than the P365. sometimes I forget it's there

You’re carrying even when home smoking a stogie outside?  Where you live, Beirut?  Chicago? Here in Kalihi?

You’re carrying even when home smoking a stogie outside?  Where you live, Beirut?  Chicago? Here in Kalihi?

I live in the mean streets of Kaimuki. Lol.
gotta stay ready 

mean streets of 96816...
 

You’re carrying even when home smoking a stogie outside?  Where you live, Beirut?  Chicago? Here in Kalihi?

I live in the mean streets of Kaimuki. Lol.
gotta stay ready 

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