I think it’s important that when we hear about all the places that are affected by the shutdown on the news they should add what our senators voted on the matter. Having written to both several times from gun laws to voter identification, every time I get the same thing. I will vote against anything Trump wants. Schatz said that since he was oversight for USAID he would not vote yes for any of his cabinet. When I asked if he wanted him …..crickets. This is not government. It’s romper room grade school stupidity. The government is shut down because our senators want citizens to pay for illegal alien’s healthcare. When we are paying through the nose for our own. When will we figure out that the democrat party is not what it was. No longer is it the working class party. When I found out that we taxpayers are paying for illegal aliens abortions through planned parenthood I QUIT VOTING DEM. I don’t hate anyone but I don’t think men should be competing with women. I don’t think gay pride should be a month long thing and veterans is one day. I hope others will figure out what has happened to the democrat party. I’m tired of voting for the person who I dislike the least. And if green has his way no one will be able to hunt here because they won’t have any rifles. Sure we can us bows and arrows. Is that what you want. Bow season only? Because it’s coming soon to an island near you.

I think it’s important that when we hear about all the places that are affected by the shutdown on the news they should add what our senators voted on the matter. Having written to both several times from gun laws to voter identification, every time I get the same thing. I will vote against anything Trump wants. Schatz said that since he was oversight for USAID he would not vote yes for any of his cabinet. When I asked if he wanted him …..crickets. This is not government. It’s romper room grade school stupidity. The government is shut down because our senators want citizens to pay for illegal alien’s healthcare. When we are paying through the nose for our own. When will we figure out that the democrat party is not what it was. No longer is it the working class party. When I found out that we taxpayers are paying for illegal aliens abortions through planned parenthood I QUIT VOTING DEM. I don’t hate anyone but I don’t think men should be competing with women. I don’t think gay pride should be a month long thing and veterans is one day. I hope others will figure out what has happened to the democrat party. I’m tired of voting for the person who I dislike the least. And if green has his way no one will be able to hunt here because they won’t have any rifles. Sure we can us bows and arrows. Is that what you want. Bow season only? Because it’s coming soon to an island near you.

We all feel the same way, but it’s seems the country itself is finally beginning to turn.

More and more people seem to be waking up to what we’ve all known for years.  I don’t believe they are for turning back: There is no future for Hawaii in particular, in relenting.  The economy is totally breaking down here, and people know it.

For decades we have had politicians from both sides of the aisle come in, shoot the shit, made their millions, then left while other snakes took their places.

Rinse and repeat and slowly but surely our country, it's citizens, and the fabric that has made our country great have gone to shit.

Yes, people have realized and come to their senses, but I believe things will continue to spiral for the worst before it starts to get better.

The reason being is because the woke kool-aid and the socialist/communist doctrine that have been drummed into people's brains is permanent.  The poison is irreversible.

And these people are realizing that their agenda and their cause is in jeophardy. 

So now they intend to drag everyone and everything down with them.

The only way to fix this dilemma is to hold the line until these people destroy themselves.

They are going to do whatever it takes to hold on to their power. Watch out for major disruptions.

One of the things that always bothered me about government shutdowns is the workers wind up going home and eventually get paid for that time off.

When the government shuts down, many federal workers go
without paychecks, whether they are deemed essential and
required to show up for work or whether they're furloughed for
the duration of the shutdown.

Such employees are by law entitled to back pay once a funding
agreement is reached...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-contract-worker-back-pay/

Contractors who work for the government are different.  There's no guarantee the government will provide payment for work performed during the shutdown.  Those companies and individuals have to decide if they are willing to work "at risk," and hope if they do work during the shutdown, that the funding will be there to provide backpay.

So, one would think a shutdown would save all that labor cost during the shutdown, when that's just not the case.  Failing to pass a budget actually costs more in taxes because of the overhead involved in the finance and contract departments. 

If trump follows through with the additional layoffs he spoke of, maybe in this particular case, the shutdown will actually save taxpayers some money.

One of the things that always bothered me about government shutdowns is the workers wind up going home and eventually get paid for that time off

Yeah, that always bothered me too.
Might as well have them work if their going to get paid anyway.

Yeah, that always bothered me too.
Might as well have them work if their going to get paid anyway.

Require them to work since they are going to get paid anyway.  And if they don't agree or like it, well there's the door and don't let it hit you in the ass on your way out.

So many areas in government that is wasteful, unproductive, and downright stupid (this one takes the cake.....).  I recall reading or noting someone say government shut-downs are like paid vacations for the federal workers.

Require them to work since they are going to get paid anyway.  And if they don't agree or like it, well there's the door and don't let it hit you in the ass on your way out.

So many areas in government that is wasteful, unproductive, and downright stupid (this one takes the cake.....).  I recall reading or noting someone say government shut-downs are like paid vacations for the federal workers.

** It is, especially if the employee has a spouse working in the private sector.  The household still has money coming in to take care of at least some monthly bills.  The furloughed employees should have some some savings to use.  They can also request a loan from their retirement savings which won't trigger a tax penalty under these and other circumstances.  They can also inform their mortgage lenders and other creditors of their situation.  Normally they can skip a couple of months without a late fee since the creditors know the money will arrive when the government opens again.  If nothing else, a home equity loan might be the easiest for home-owning federal workers being furloughed.

Prepare for the dozen or so interviews with employees not being paid claiming they are going to lose their homes, can't make their car payments, can't afford to let their kids attend private school, and don't qualify for government food stamps yet.  It's all a charade meant to create hostility toward the Republicans and Trump specifically for "forcing" a shutdown.

How is paying for millions of illegal aliens' healthcare helping America's working class -- unless you subscribe to the belief that illegals are counted as Americans?  That's how the Democrats in DC are trying to sell it.  BTW, Congress is still getting their paychecks regardless of how many "working class Americans" aren't.

The story was on Civil Beat a while back about how federal employees are responsible for something like 20% of our hotel capacity.
It's like a hidden subsidy for our tourist market. This could be very bad for business if it drags on long enough.

The story was on Civil Beat a while back about how federal employees are responsible for something like 20% of our hotel capacity.
It's like a hidden subsidy for our tourist market. This could be very bad for business if it drags on long enough.

Was that only federal employees, or anyone traveling on federal funding?  From my quick search, there are no breakouts for federal employees specifically. The only data is for federally funded travel, which includes military, military families, government employees, contractors working for the government, and so on.

Regardless, if travel is put on hold for any nonessential trips during the shutdown, it could have a significant impact in the short term.  Long term, I don't see the impact being that bad.

Was that only federal employees, or anyone traveling on federal funding?  From my quick search, there are no breakouts for federal employees specifically. The only data is for federally funded travel, which includes military, military families, government employees, contractors working for the government, and so on.

Regardless, if travel is put on hold for any nonessential trips during the shutdown, it could have a significant impact in the short term.  Long term, I don't see the impact being that bad.

You are correct. It was federal funding. Could make a temporary impact depending on how long it lasts, but if Trump chooses the nuclear option for a significant reduction in the federal workforce then that would have a much longer lasting effect.

Yeah, that always bothered me too.
Might as well have them work if their going to get paid anyway.

I do

The ones that don’t, and are at home furlough, really should be evaluated if they are truly needed.  What exactly is our tax dollars paying for if we don’t even see an impact when they are furloughed. 

I do

The ones that don’t, and are at home furlough, really should be evaluated if they are truly needed.  What exactly is our tax dollars paying for if we don’t even see an impact when they are furloughed.

You're describing what DOGE just did for DC federal workers.

That process is continuing now that the shutdown gives Trump additional powers to get rid of unnecessary workers.

I heard that Elon actually did this.  Gave employees like 5 minutes to tell him directly what they do.  He worked like 18hrs a day or something to do these interviews.

I believe I already mentioned, banks, creditors and services like utilities understand the furloughed employees will be getting paid for the time they didn't work once the shutdown ends.  They also have other incomes in the household, savings, retirement loans, and leave they can sell back to pay the bills.

I just got a text from HECO that supports my comment.  Anyone suffering a hardship due to the shutdown can contact the company for alternative options.

They have available no interest payment options where they roll up all your missed payments and spread them out over 6 months.  Once you get your backpay, you can either pay off the missed payments and resume your normal monthly billing, or you can pay over the time period they offer you that normal monthly payment plus 1/6th of the outstanding amount without interest or late fees.

That's just one example of how a gov't shutdown might be an inconvenience for those living paycheck-to-paycheck, but everyone knows you'll get paid eventually and most are willing to provide accommodations.

everyone knows you'll get paid eventually

Maybe. Maybe not.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/furlough-backpay-not-automatic-instead-congress-must-authorize-leaked-wh-memo

Maybe. Maybe not.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/furlough-backpay-not-automatic-instead-congress-must-authorize-leaked-wh-memo

More 4D Chess. 

The Democrats are the ones holding out for illegal aliens' healthcare coverage.  if they did it without realizing the furloughed employees might not get paid, who's going to get blamed?  Not the ones who don't want taxpayers to fund healthcare for illegals when so many citizens are struggling to pay for it or go without any coverage.

It's a viable scenario to believe the WH leaked the memo on purpose to force the Democrat Senators into a corner.

"This would not have happened if Democrats voted for the clean CR," a senior administration official told the outlet.

 

More 4D Chess. 

The Democrats are the ones holding out for illegal aliens' healthcare coverage.  if they did it without realizing the furloughed employees might not get paid, who's going to get blamed?  Not the ones who don't want taxpayers to fund healthcare for illegals when so many citizens are struggling to pay for it or go without any coverage.

It's a viable scenario to believe the WH leaked the memo on purpose to force the Democrat Senators into a corner.

"This would not have happened if Democrats voted for the clean CR," a senior administration official told the outlet.

 

Yes! - he’s totally outmaneuvered them on this.  I thought his first term was awful, but he learned pretty much everything about how DC and their grift up there works, and now he’s buggering them coming and going, and even has plenty of time left over to troll them into madness …

It’s easy to outmaneuver those who have lost their grip on reality.

That’s why the government spends so much on the DOE even though the results keep getting worse. The whole point is to create a false reality so that we can’t understand where the pain is coming from as they experiment on us like Fauccis beagles.