Government shutdown (Read 10473 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2025, 10:09:58 AM »
MTG posted 2 weeks ago on how this should have been used.  I guess she foresaw that nothing would be done in the future.
Getting rid of the fillerbuster is a bad idea.

When Democrats are in power they push hard to remove it while Republicans strongly oppose it.
When Republicans are in power they push hard to remove it while Democrats strongly oppose it.

Thats a sign it's a really bad idea.

if you follow the tactics of The Don, you'll notice he does only a fraction of what he claims to want done.

I think his comments were meant to plant a seed in the minds of the Senate minority that the GOP will win one way or anther.  Holding the nation hostage will not be rewarding for them.

So, when I predicted "either because the GOP decide to use the power they were given, or because the Democrats realize they have no leverage to continue playing games for no real political gain," I think the latter has the better chance of becoming true.  The former is the threat that makes the latter more likely.

When you think about people going without paychecks, without entitlement benefits, and with no guarantee of the shutdown's duration, those people don't care whose shutdown this is or why.  They only care that someone reopened government so the funding can flow.  Whether the GOP does it via the nuclear option or by getting the Dems to pass a bill they have voted down 13 times so far, I think the GOP will be remembered as the party that cared more about the people suffering than what political impact the nuclear option might bring.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2025, 10:49:54 AM »
Reports say there are no votes scheduled in the US Senate today, nor anything scheduled over the weekend.

It's looking like there will be no news until next week unless the Senate calls for a special session to vote before then.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2025, 10:54:14 AM »
Getting rid of the fillerbuster is a bad idea.

When Democrats are in power they push hard to remove it while Republicans strongly oppose it.
When Republicans are in power they push hard to remove it while Democrats strongly oppose it.

Thats a sign it's a really bad idea.

In my opinion the filibuster is a waste of time and taxpayer money.  Nothing gets done because the other side has no other means to combat the side that is in power.

I say the side that has the power should just ram their agenda through.  The people have spoken as far as who they want representing America.

I may be shooting myself in the foot on this one but hey, the people hold the power and if the majority of the people are dumb-asses, then I guess it becomes what it is.

And of course, vice versa.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

macsak

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2025, 11:31:11 AM »
everyone went home yesterday...

Reports say there are no votes scheduled in the US Senate today, nor anything scheduled over the weekend.

It's looking like there will be no news until next week unless the Senate calls for a special session to vote before then.

QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2025, 11:35:10 AM »
I dunno if I could go eat at a fancy restaurant if I was a congress critter that went home for the weekend.

But that's just me.  These congress critters are different.  They are used to it.


everyone went home yesterday...

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2025, 11:44:33 AM »
In my opinion the filibuster is a waste of time and taxpayer money.  Nothing gets done because the other side has no other means to combat the side that is in power.

I say the side that has the power should just ram their agenda through.  The people have spoken as far as who they want representing America.

I may be shooting myself in the foot on this one but hey, the people hold the power and if the majority of the people are dumb-asses, then I guess it becomes what it is.

And of course, vice versa.
Unfortunately, the Senate has become little more than a battlefield where bills passed by the House can be halted when either party fails to have at least 60 seats -- assuming cloture applies to that measure.

The original intent of the Senate was to inject a little more sanity into the lawmaking process.  The founders recognized that the majority in the House is comprised of representatives often from the most populous states, meaning those states will have more chances to advance their agendas.  The Senate remained a 2-Senators-per-state body so that bad bills from the House might have a better chance of being stopped, or at least changed for the better, before becoming law.

Because the national party leadership now decides most Reps' and Senators' positions on votes, the outcome has been predetermined based on who holds the majority.  That's true unless one side filibusters and the majority can't muster 60 votes to stop it.  Partisan politics loves a good filibuster.  Movies have been made about it (Mr. Smith goes to Washington).

Should we get rid of the filibuster completely? i don't think so.  Should we get rid of it just long enough to get a budget passed so the government can reopen? If that's the only option, then yes.

i read that the shutdown is costing the economy between $7 billion and $14 billion in GDP, according to a new report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Three scenarios were analyzed: What if the shutdown lasts (1) four weeks (a mark we already hit Wednesday), (2) six weeks, or (3) two months?  If gov't reopened today, the GDP will have lost over $7B.  If it were to drag on for an additional month, that's a $14B loss.  if it extends even further, the damage would start to compound upon itself. 

The longest shutdown was under Trump's administration Dec 22, 2018, to Jan 25, 2019 -- 35 days total.

This shutdown is already the second longest in US history after the 2018 shutdown.  It will become the longest if it continues through next week Wednesday (Nov 5th).
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2025, 10:22:21 AM »
SNAP recipients
Active Duty Military & their families
Furloughed Federal Employees
Federal Employees Forced to Work Without Pay

Just some of the shutdown "victims" lining up in Waipahu for free food.

‘Rows of people’ attend
emergency food distribution event

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Hundreds of cars stretched the Waipio Soccer Complex Friday morning
for Hawaii Foodbank’s emergency food distribution event.

It aimed to help those impacted by the federal shutdown.

Officials said that includes federal employees who were furloughed or
are missing paychecks.

The distribution was also intended for active-duty military households and
those facing delays in receiving their Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
Program (SNAP) benefits, officials said.

Registration for an emergency food distribution event reached capacity
within hours, according to the Hawaii Foodbank.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/11/01/rows-people-attend-emergency-food-distribution-event/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2025, 10:24:44 AM »
State launches emergency food assistance
program during SNAP disruption

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The state is taking action to protect Hawaii residents from impacts of the ongoing
federal government shutdown and disruption to the Supplemental Nutrition
Assistance Program (SNAP).

Governor Josh Green on Thursday signed an executive order putting about
$145 million into new relief programs, tapping into about $29 million of the state’s
general fund and the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families federal grant
program, which has a surplus of about $400 million.

Under a new Hawaii Food Assistance Program, all current SNAP recipients,
from keiki to kupuna, will each receive $250 in their EBT cards by Nov. 14,
regardless of their federal benefit. No additional paperwork is needed.


The emergency relief payments will cost the state $42.2 million in November,
helping households bridge the gap created by the pause in federal SNAP funding.
Green said the state is prepared to extend the benefit should the shutdown
continue.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/10/30/state-coordinates-efforts-protect-residents-impacted-by-federal-shutdown/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2025, 11:16:36 AM »
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2025, 12:55:01 PM »
Now there are two reports that intersect, both of which point to Trump using emergency funds to reinstate SNAP benefits.

Two judges rule Trump admin must keep SNAP
benefits in place as shutdown drags on

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-judges-rule-trump-admin-must-keep-snap-benefits-place-shutdown-drags


Trump vows to ‘fund SNAP as soon as possible’
if court allows, blasts Democrats over shutdown delay

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-vows-fund-snap-soon-possible-court-allows-blasts-democrats-shutdown-delay


The question left unanswered is whether of not the Trump administration can legally use emergency funds to pay regular SNAP benefits.  One court says they can, the other says they can't.  from my reading, the SNAP emergency fund is for things like natural disasters where victims can receive food benefits to assist during the crisis.  Using them to replace SNAP funding because of a government shutdown might seem like an emergency to the recipients, but it's a 100% manmade emergency.  The Dems can start the money flowing anytime they desire.

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In a statement posted to Truth Social, Trump said government lawyers had
raised doubts about whether existing funds could be used for the November
distribution and that two courts have issued conflicting opinions on the matter.

"Our Government lawyers do not think we have the legal authority to pay
SNAP with certain monies we have available, and now two Courts have
issued conflicting opinions on what we can and cannot do," Trump wrote.
"I do NOT want Americans to go hungry just because the Radical Democrats
refuse to do the right thing and REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT."

The president said he had instructed administration attorneys to ask the
courts for clarification "as soon as possible."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2025, 01:16:19 PM »
The SNAP rulings benefit Trump.  People will get their SNAP benefits which makes them happy and eliminates that talking point for now.  Though that ruling will likely get overturned on appeal if Trump chooses to do it, but I think he'll just take the win for now.

ren

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2025, 01:21:05 PM »
The SNAP rulings benefit Trump.  People will get their SNAP benefits which makes them happy and eliminates that talking point for now.  Though that ruling will likely get overturned on appeal if Trump chooses to do it, but I think he'll just take the win for now.

1 less Democratic argument. Wonder what they'll bring up next?
Deeds Not Words

QUIETShooter

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2025, 01:41:55 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jOD4kPlHw08



Obama should step out and appeal to the Democrats to go back to work.  And he should refer to the talking points he said above when the government shut down under his tenure.

He is oddly quiet nowadays. 

This is off subject but anyone else notice that Hakeem Jeffries tries to mimic how obama speaks?

He's a obama wannabe in my opinion.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2025, 01:56:48 PM »
1 less Democratic argument. Wonder what they'll bring up next?

The reserve funds will be exhausted in November for things like military pay and SNAP.  So it'll be back to those points.

ren

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2025, 04:07:08 PM »
The reserve funds will be exhausted in November for things like military pay and SNAP.  So it'll be back to those points.

SON OF A B!OTCH!



Schumer needs to go to O-Shag-Hennesy's Office right NIAO!
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2025, 04:47:16 PM »


Obama should step out and appeal to the Democrats to go back to work.  And he should refer to the talking points he said above when the government shut down under his tenure.

He is oddly quiet nowadays. 

This is off subject but anyone else notice that Hakeem Jeffries tries to mimic how obama speaks?

He's a obama wannabe in my opinion.

I heard on Youtube vids referring to him as "Walmart Obama"

Elon explains the govt shutdown.  Basically if they shut off healthcare for illeglas they will go away and hence the Dems voting base disappears, which explains why they are fighting so hard.

Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2025, 05:21:27 PM »
temu obama
dime store obama

I heard on Youtube vids referring to him as "Walmart Obama"

Elon explains the govt shutdown.  Basically if they shut off healthcare for illeglas they will go away and hence the Dems voting base disappears, which explains why they are fighting so hard.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #77 on: November 01, 2025, 05:33:18 PM »
I heard on Youtube vids referring to him as "Walmart Obama"

Elon explains the govt shutdown.  Basically if they shut off healthcare for illeglas they will go away and hence the Dems voting base disappears, which explains why they are fighting so hard.

It's not so much the illegal voting as it is the increases in their population totals with illegals.  That determines subsidies, representation in the House, and cheap labor to compensate for bad economic policies.

With the recent rulings about redistricting states based on race being illegal, the Dems are looking at a net loss of at least 5-8 seats in the House.  Add to that a loss of Representatives due to reduced populations of illegals AND Trump getting the next census to not count illegals, I don't think the Dems can win enough federal races to have a majority again.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #78 on: November 01, 2025, 06:09:41 PM »
Now there are two reports that intersect, both of which point to Trump using emergency funds to reinstate SNAP benefits.

Two judges rule Trump admin must keep SNAP
benefits in place as shutdown drags on

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-judges-rule-trump-admin-must-keep-snap-benefits-place-shutdown-drags


Trump vows to ‘fund SNAP as soon as possible’
if court allows, blasts Democrats over shutdown delay

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-vows-fund-snap-soon-possible-court-allows-blasts-democrats-shutdown-delay


The question left unanswered is whether of not the Trump administration can legally use emergency funds to pay regular SNAP benefits.  One court says they can, the other says they can't.  from my reading, the SNAP emergency fund is for things like natural disasters where victims can receive food benefits to assist during the crisis.  Using them to replace SNAP funding because of a government shutdown might seem like an emergency to the recipients, but it's a 100% manmade emergency.  The Dems can start the money flowing anytime they desire.
Hes asking the courts to let him know which one he can use. He knows the dnc will charge him with a crime and impeach him for using the wrong one.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Government shutdown
« Reply #79 on: November 01, 2025, 07:20:33 PM »
Hes asking the courts to let him know which one he can use. He knows the dnc will charge him with a crime and impeach him for using the wrong one.
If Trump funds SNAP for Nov, it'll reduce the leverage the Dems believe they have over the GOP in the Senate. 

If for some strange reason it's discovered he broke the law by using the wrong pot of money, I don't think he'll be impeached unless the Dems manage to take back the House (where an impeachment of the President must begin).  I don't think they can take it back this midterm election based on the havoc the Dems are causing with the shutdown.

Even if he's impeached .... again ..... the GOP-controlled Senate will likely vote for acquittal ..... again.  Even if convicted, it's a far cry from removal from office to spend money to help those dependent on entitlements and military paychecks.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw