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changemyoil66

Trump to begin nuke testing
« on: October 30, 2025, 08:30:57 AM »
Liberals are fuming at this.

We may never know the why.  But lets think of some posibilities:

1) Testing new stuff. Could be bigger or weaker, different tech, etc....  Or OG like Hiroshima that left little radiation on the land.  So the land isn't unlivable for 100 years like todays nukes.

2) Does the old stuff still work

3) If u gonna use a nuke and mess up the land it's being detonated on, then might as well put other stuff with it that you gotta get rid of. Like other aging nukes, nuclear waste, etc...Cheaper than storing it in the mountain.

In general, I'm against this, unless there's a very good reason. A show of force isn't a good reason as everyone knows what we got.  So above is what I would be OK with so far.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2025, 10:25:00 AM »
testing is just that --- testing.  Doesn't mean we will abandon SALT treaties, etc. 

What it means is we can be sure of the function and aftermath of a nuclear detonation.

We already have the ability to wipe out the most powerful nations on Earth.  Whining about overkill is just that: whining.

What we need to have are missiles impervious to countermeasures.  I'm sure we have the best available technology in our missiles at the time they were designed, but is that really enough today?

Testing can come at a real environmental cost, so any tests need to be done to prevent harm to the environment.  Even underground tests can cause instability in rock layers, pollute water sources, and such.

I think this is just another misdirection by Trump to get everyone (like the press) looking away from what he's really up to.  That, or he'll use it as a "compromise" starting point.  "If I can't test nukes like i want, i'm willing to compromise for 2 new aircraft carriers," or something.

One never knows what his end game will be until the game ends.
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Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2025, 10:55:58 AM »
This is coincident to Putin rattling his weapons around:

“It was on Sunday that Russian President Vladimir Putin touted a successful test of his military's new "invincible" nuclear-capable cruise missile, the Burevestnik. Trump quickly called it "not appropriate" and reminded Moscow that a US nuclear submarine is "right off their shores."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-walks-back-nuclear-test-claims-trump-orders-us-atomic-weapons-testing

It seems highly likely that Trump has long realized that Putin has strung him along in Ukraine - taking easy advantage of Trump’s desire to reach a quick end to hostilities by leaning hard on Zelenskyy.  Putin used this opening to take more real estate.

It was the Globalist’s war to begin with, with the U.S. footing the bill via Biden, so of course he wanted it gone as soon as possible, however Putin only respects force, so it’s led Trump into an awkward pivot.

It seems he should have hard-balled Putin up front and called their nuclear bluff (remember that?) - that would have squeezed Putin’s cajones and made him less enthusiastic about the project.

It’s hard to correct course at this point - Trump is left with pushing back wherever he can.

At least he still has his trademark “Crazy Donald” card to play.  He’s very clever - look at how he’s maneuvered the left in this country into a politically suicidal demoralized frenzy - getting them to shut down the government all over taxpayer money to illegals for healthcare!
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hvybarrels

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2025, 11:30:03 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 30, 2025, 08:30:57 AM

2) Does the old stuff still work


Based on the fact that none of it has been tested in decades it's probably save to assume that we are wasting a bunch of money maintaining non-functional equipment.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2025, 12:51:29 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 11:30:03 AM
Based on the fact that none of it has been tested in decades it's probably save to assume that we are wasting a bunch of money maintaining non-functional equipment.
I don't believe our nukes are nonfunctional.

Land launched ICBMs are just one facet of the nuclear arsenal.  SLBMs on subs, cruise missiles on subs, destroyers and aircraft, gravity bombs, etc.  are all systems that were developed, tested and produced at various stages in our military history.

Missiles and other delivery systems are perfectly capable of being function tested without a nuclear payload -- or even a conventional munitions payload.

Missiles are like matches in a box.  You can test one, and if the others were produced and maintained the same way, you don't have to light them all to see if they work.  Doing so would be ridiculous, right?  Missiles are also single-use AFAIK, just like matches.

The real issue is testing the payload.  Finding an eco-friendly way to do so is critical, now that we know what the effects of testing can be.

My former employer began as a small group of engineers who developed models for nuclear detonations.  That included terrain, wind speed and direction, payload size, payload material, elevation at detonation, building structures, facility hardening methods, and so on.  So, the real work of calculating what's expected is already possible.  All that's needed is proof of concept test to verify the results.  Delivery on target with a reliable detonation -- that's easy to build and test without a mushroom cloud.

i'd be happier if they would remove those nukes hiding in the secret silos here on Oahu.  Not a day goes by I don't worry ....   :geekdanc:
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hvybarrels

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2025, 01:11:42 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 30, 2025, 12:51:29 PM
Missiles are like matches in a box.  You can test one, and if the others were produced and maintained the same way, you don't have to light them all to see if they work.  Doing so would be ridiculous, right?  Missiles are also single-use AFAIK, just like matches.

What if the matches got wet but nobody said anything because they don't want to rock the boat?

When you look at disasters like Red Hill it's obvious the military has a huge problem when it comes to maintaining facilities and equipment.
The brass would rather pretend like these issues don't exist and pass the problem on to someone else when they retire.
I'm not saying all the nukes are busted, but they are astonishingly complicated systems and many of them were designed nearly a century ago.

It's probably best to start an investigation with the assumption that a significant percentage of our nuclear weapons program is currently in "less than optimal" condition.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2025, 01:48:44 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 01:11:42 PM
What if the matches got wet but nobody said anything because they don't want to rock the boat?

When you look at disasters like Red Hill it's obvious the military has a huge problem when it comes to maintaining facilities and equipment.
The brass would rather pretend like these issues don't exist and pass the problem on to someone else when they retire.
I'm not saying all the nukes are busted, but they are astonishingly complicated systems and many of them were designed nearly a century ago.

It's probably best to start an investigation with the assumption that a significant percentage of our nuclear weapons program is currently in "less than optimal" condition.

And what if there were the same, or better, maintenance and testing programs that exist for missiles which also exist for military aircraft?

The military spends more on maintenance, repairs, parts and upgrades on each aircraft than each probably cost new over it's inventory life.  Same is true for nuclear missiles.  There's a reason those working with missiles are "rated" just like those who fly aircraft.  They require more education, training and responsibility, and they also get paid more than others in the same pay grade. 

The Navy has trained nuclear engineers aboard subs and surface ships that have nuclear engines and/or weapons for a reason,  They too get more money, training, education and are tested to maintain qualifications similar to pilots and missile crews.

Red Hill was a civil engineering fiasco.  There's no comparison.

Unless you know fo a fact some percentage of our nukes are nonfunctional, then believing so offers no path to a solution.  You're just worrying over something without an ounce of actual evidence or justification
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hvybarrels

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2025, 02:45:20 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 30, 2025, 01:48:44 PM
Unless you know fo a fact some percentage of our nukes are nonfunctional, then believing so offers no path to a solution.  You're just worrying over something without an ounce of actual evidence or justification

That’s what the propaganda says today, but DOD was singing a different tune 10 years ago,

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/US_Must_Fund_Urgent_270Bln_Nuclear_Weapons_Upgrade_Plan_999.html
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2025, 03:13:35 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 02:45:20 PM
That’s what the propaganda says today, but DOD was singing a different tune 10 years ago,

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/US_Must_Fund_Urgent_270Bln_Nuclear_Weapons_Upgrade_Plan_999.html

Here you go again -- pretending your sources say what you want them to.

Every weapons system goes through modernization updates.  The nuclear arsenal is one that's been neglected since the end of the Cold War and the need to fund the wars in the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan.  That's 3 decades that the systems have been static in terms of modern technology.  That doesn't mean they are nonfunctional.

"it's probably save to assume that we are wasting a bunch of money maintaining non-functional equipment."

Do you realize that statement you made is an oxymoron?  If it's being maintained, the better assumption is that the equipment is functional.
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hvybarrels

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2025, 04:26:18 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 30, 2025, 03:13:35 PM
Here you go again -- pretending your sources say what you want them to.

Every weapons system goes through modernization updates.  The nuclear arsenal is one that's been neglected since the end of the Cold War and the need to fund the wars in the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan.  That's 3 decades that the systems have been static in terms of modern technology.  That doesn't mean they are nonfunctional.

"it's probably save to assume that we are wasting a bunch of money maintaining non-functional equipment."

Do you realize that statement you made is an oxymoron?  If it's being maintained, the better assumption is that the equipment is functional.


“Work said Congress and previous administrations had repeatedly put off the challenge of modernizing the US strategic nuclear force in half a century, but now aging systems were reaching the end of their lifespan and needed to be replaced.”


End of life. Aka doesn’t work anymore.

I’m starting to think you like getting spanked.

Should we all pitch in some cash to buy Flap and EEF a couple hours with a dominatrix?





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changemyoil66

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2025, 05:05:48 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 01:11:42 PM
What if the matches got wet but nobody said anything because they don't want to rock the boat?



You don't know the MIC then.  That would be a perfect reason to have to rebuild or restock
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2025, 06:27:07 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 04:26:18 PM

“Work said Congress and previous administrations had repeatedly put off the challenge of modernizing the US strategic nuclear force in half a century, but now aging systems were reaching the end of their lifespan and needed to be replaced.”


End of life. Aka doesn’t work anymore.

I’m starting to think you like getting spanked.

Should we all pitch in some cash to buy Flap and EEF a couple hours with a dominatrix?

Wrong.

Show me where Bob said, "They don't work anymore."

Reaching end of lifespan does not mean they have already reached their end of lifespan.  They could still have years of serviceable life left.  That determination is an estimate anyway.  We have B-52s that have been lying since 1952.  That airframe has undergone dozens of upgrades, mods and equipment updates.  Production ended in 1962 with the B-52H, with 742 aircraft built, plus the original two prototypes. The B-52J is scheduled to reach Initial operational capability in 2033.  B-52J is supposed to include an upgrade of B-52H with Rolls-Royce F130 engines, the AN/APQ-188 AESA radar (a variant of the AN/APG-79 radar), and new communications and navigation equipment.

Just because something needs to be replaced doesn't mean it's not working.  It may mean the item has paid for itself over its service life, but now it's going to be cheaper and easier to maintain a replacement due to parts availability, new technological capabilities, and so on. At some point, it's more effective and less expensive to just replace an item past a certain age.

I was an Air Force officer.  I know all about weapons system and other types of systems.  Procurement, repair parts, maintenance and retrofit schedules, upgrades, and all the other project milestones are intended to make sure the systems are functional and capable of performing as intended.  I went through 3 block upgrades with the AWACS E-3 (A to B to C models).  There's a reason we don't buy nuts and bolts at Home Depot for these programs.  The parts have to be thoroughly inspected and spot tested to ensure they meet detailed specs and life expectancy.  It drives up cost, but it also ensures a plane doesn't crash or a missile malfunction because a nut or bolt broke before it was anticipated.
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hvybarrels

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2025, 06:42:56 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 30, 2025, 05:05:48 PM
You don't know the MIC then.  That would be a perfect reason to have to rebuild or restock

You mean hire a bunch of contractors with congressional connections to pretend like they are doing something useful as the equipment and facilities rot away.

The military is a jobs program pretending it has the ability to fight wars, but when you look at the results all the hype simply doesn’t add up. We just spent 20 years and 20 trillion dollars to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. Its clear that a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2025, 06:57:35 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 06:42:56 PM
You mean hire a bunch of contractors with congressional connections to pretend like they are doing something useful as the equipment and facilities rot away.

The military is a jobs program pretending it has the ability to fight wars, but when you look at the results all the hype simply doesn’t add up. We just spent 20 years and 20 trillion dollars to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. Its clear that a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
Spoken like someone who's still living in the Korean and Vietnam war era.


The Taliban issues have nothing to do with weapon system reliability or replacing them.  In fact, an argument can be made that a war that lasts 2 decades expends the old, aging, less modern weaponry with new, state-of-the-art, more capable weapons with a brand new 'use by' date.

It's been said we are sending our older weapons to Ukraine so we can refresh our own stores with newly manufactured weapons.  if we're selling them arms anyway, might as well make it a win for our troops as well.
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Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2025, 07:08:49 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 04:26:18 PM
I’m starting to think you like getting spanked.

Should we all pitch in some cash to buy Flap and EEF a couple hours with a dominatrix?


Fuck yeah!

If flap & EEF are busy I’ll take their place, but that whip is going bye bye from the git go.
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Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2025, 07:12:57 PM »
Quote from: Kalihi Uka on October 30, 2025, 07:08:49 PM
Fuck yeah!

If flap & EEF are busy I’ll take their place, but that whip is going bye bye from the git go.

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hvybarrels

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2025, 07:16:34 PM »
How long has it been since the Pentagon passed an audit or won a war?

Better test those nukes.

It's the only way to be sure.
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Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2025, 08:16:21 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 07:16:34 PM
How long has it been since the Pentagon passed an audit or won a war?

Better test those nukes.

It's the only way to be sure.
The missiles hidden on Oahu probably need testing first.  Is anybody going to miss North Korea?
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hvybarrels

Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2025, 09:12:46 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 30, 2025, 08:16:21 PM
The missiles hidden on Oahu probably need testing first.  Is anybody going to miss North Korea?

With our luck they would just make more COFA islands for laundering federal money to criminal NGOs
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Re: Trump to begin nuke testing
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2025, 09:35:38 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 30, 2025, 06:42:56 PM
You mean hire a bunch of contractors with congressional connections to pretend like they are doing something useful as the equipment and facilities rot away.

The military is a jobs program pretending it has the ability to fight wars, but when you look at the results all the hype simply doesn’t add up. We just spent 20 years and 20 trillion dollars to replace the Taliban with the Taliban. Its clear that a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted.
Ouch baby ouch!
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