You must have missed all the Venezuelans, in Venezuela, celebrating Maduro's capture because they didn't show that on CNN and MSNBC.

How is that relevant though? Do you really believe Trump targeted this one particular dictator out of some moral principle?

It isn't even speculation, Trump has mentioned their oil multiple times even as Rubio tried to paint the operation as a more of law and order type thing.

please show me where they needed congressional approval of this action...

Are you suggesting that the president can attack whatever country he wants at any time for any reason?

Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war and to authorize funding for military actions. If congress doesn't need to have any say then essentially Trump can do just that. 

Even Bush got congressional approval to invade Iraq though war was never officially declared.


You ask how this is war. We attack them, capture their leader, destroy a bunch of their military equipment, kill dozens of their soldiers. How is that no war? If a country came in to the USA, killed a bunch of our soldiers and arrested Trump for alleged crimes, would you not call it an act or war?

Calling it simply an arrest is some pretty thin gruel. If Trump was really so concerned about holding drug criminal accountable then he wouldn't have pardoned those drug dealers yet here we are.

Listen, I have no love lost for Maduro being arrested. A humanitarian case can be made for Maduro's removal. He was a terrible dictator destroying the country and it is good he is gone. But I am not so high as to believe for one second that that had anything to do with Trump's justification. It is just a cover plain and simple. Probably for the oil, maybe for something else, but "law enforcement" is nothing but pretty wrapping and dubious legally speaking. If it was about removing dangerous authoritarian leaders he would have removed Kim Jong Un, Putin, and a dozen other leaders.

Well to be fair, China has never won a war. So even if they did invade Taiwan, odds are against them. For now, China won't do anything as they know Trump is no push over.  If they do plan an invasion, they would wait till we have a weaker leader.

Trump is no push over with China? Trump talks tough with China and then backs down. Trump praises authoritarian rulers. Putin has been walking all over Trump.

you still haven't shown where they needed congressional approval for the action...

Are you suggesting that the president can attack whatever country he wants at any time for any reason?

Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war and to authorize funding for military actions. If congress doesn't need to have any say then essentially Trump can do just that. 

Even Bush got congressional approval to invade Iraq though war was never officially declared.


You ask how this is war. We attack them, capture their leader, destroy a bunch of their military equipment, kill dozens of their soldiers. How is that no war? If a country came in to the USA, killed a bunch of our soldiers and arrested Trump for alleged crimes, would you not call it an act or war?

Calling it simply an arrest is some pretty thin gruel. If Trump was really so concerned about holding drug criminal accountable then he wouldn't have pardoned those drug dealers yet here we are.

Listen, I have no love lost for Maduro being arrested. A humanitarian case can be made for Maduro's removal. He was a terrible dictator destroying the country and it is good he is gone. But I am not so high as to believe for one second that that had anything to do with Trump's justification. It is just a cover plain and simple. Probably for the oil, maybe for something else, but "law enforcement" is nothing but pretty wrapping and dubious legally speaking. If it was about removing dangerous authoritarian leaders he would have removed Kim Jong Un, Putin, and a dozen other leaders.

Are you suggesting that the president can attack whatever country he wants at any time for any reason?

Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war and to authorize funding for military actions. If congress doesn't need to have any say then essentially Trump can do just that. 

Even Bush got congressional approval to invade Iraq though war was never officially declared.


You ask how this is war. We attack them, capture their leader, destroy a bunch of their military equipment, kill dozens of their soldiers. How is that no war? If a country came in to the USA, killed a bunch of our soldiers and arrested Trump for alleged crimes, would you not call it an act or war?

Calling it simply an arrest is some pretty thin gruel. If Trump was really so concerned about holding drug criminal accountable then he wouldn't have pardoned those drug dealers yet here we are.

Listen, I have no love lost for Maduro being arrested. A humanitarian case can be made for Maduro's removal. He was a terrible dictator destroying the country and it is good he is gone. But I am not so high as to believe for one second that that had anything to do with Trump's justification. It is just a cover plain and simple. Probably for the oil, maybe for something else, but "law enforcement" is nothing but pretty wrapping and dubious legally speaking. If it was about removing dangerous authoritarian leaders he would have removed Kim Jong Un, Putin, and a dozen other leaders.

Well, after our country being fed off of - like a dead whale carcass drifting at sea - during the Biden regime, gunboat diplomacy feels like a radical shift, and it is.

Unpredictability, and sudden use of force are political techniques Trump uses, some of the time to great effect.

Madoro’s Venezuela was at the nexus of many global risks for the U.S., particularly with respect to its ally Russia, whose oil is circulating around the globe in that ghost fleet looking for a place to land - due to U.S. sanctions - and be sold to fund the war in Ukraine.  Maduro’s Venezuela was a key partner in funding Russia.

Trump made the mistake of thinking Putin would deal equitably on Ukraine, but he just rope-a-doped and used the time and opening to prosecute the war further.

Looks like Trump has found a way squeeze Putin’s balls in a more serious way.  Now we are even commandeering Russian flagged vessels.

Hopefully this will contribute to a quicker end in Ukraine.

Personally, I wish he was more aggressive in this way domestically with respect to the funding of the domestic terrorism wielded by the Democrat party to destroy our country.

Hopefully we’ll see that, and then there will be fewer useful idiots being arrested and injured, and the illegal invasion of our country orchestrated during the Biden regime will be fully turned back.

PS: And don’t forget the prison nation of Cuba - taking Maduro out is shoving them over the brink economically….

Two thoughts:

1. God bless this beautiful American woman.

2. There can be no coexistence with the Left: They want another 100 million killed at their hands in this century, to go along with the 100 million they killed last century.

Like the Venezuelan in the video said, Communism should be a crime.  It’s not a crime because we are an open and civilized society - which the Communist exploits to destroy our society.

Hence, there can be no civil society with them in it - leaving only one option for dealing with them …..

Are you suggesting that the president can attack whatever country he wants at any time for any reason?

Congress is supposed to be the one to declare war and to authorize funding for military actions. If congress doesn't need to have any say then essentially Trump can do just that. 

Even Bush got congressional approval to invade Iraq though war was never officially declared.


You ask how this is war. We attack them, capture their leader, destroy a bunch of their military equipment, kill dozens of their soldiers. How is that no war? If a country came in to the USA, killed a bunch of our soldiers and arrested Trump for alleged crimes, would you not call it an act or war?

Calling it simply an arrest is some pretty thin gruel. If Trump was really so concerned about holding drug criminal accountable then he wouldn't have pardoned those drug dealers yet here we are.

Listen, I have no love lost for Maduro being arrested. A humanitarian case can be made for Maduro's removal. He was a terrible dictator destroying the country and it is good he is gone. But I am not so high as to believe for one second that that had anything to do with Trump's justification. It is just a cover plain and simple. Probably for the oil, maybe for something else, but "law enforcement" is nothing but pretty wrapping and dubious legally speaking. If it was about removing dangerous authoritarian leaders he would have removed Kim Jong Un, Putin, and a dozen other leaders.

Do u know what a war is?

We went in and left b4 pizza was deliviered.

We did the same with bin laden.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

you still haven't shown where they needed congressional approval for the action...

I was gonna say this too. He does what he usualy does. Long statement abt nothing when asked a question.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

The president has the authority to direct military action against a foreign nation for up to 90 days without any Congressional approval whatsoever.

There are guidelines as to what types of actions would require the president to respond with military force, but those are not statutory nor constitutional guidelines.  if he feels his use of the military is justified, there's nothing illegal about him using the military in any  way he sees fit for those 90 days.

Congress may pull the plug on those military operations after 60 days, but that's not going to stop short term military incursions for mission objectives that are accomplished within that timeframe.

aw
you shouldn't do his homework for him
he "feels" like trump has to get congressional approval...

and i thought it was 60 days...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

The president has the authority to direct military action against a foreign nation for up to 90 days without any Congressional approval whatsoever.

There are guidelines as to what types of actions would require the president to respond with military force, but those are not statutory nor constitutional guidelines.  if he feels his use of the military is justified, there's nothing illegal about him using the military in any  way he sees fit for those 90 days.

Congress may pull the plug on those military operations after 90 days, but that's not going to stop short term military incursions for mission objectives that are accomplished within that 90 days.

aw
you shouldn't do his homework for him
he "feels" like trump has to get congressional approval...

and i thought it was 60 days...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

It's 60 days for the military to engage in operations, but another 30 days to recall the troops once Congress says stop.

The real kicker is this: 

“The War Powers Act of 1973 is patently unconstitutional and must give way to
delegated powers of the Constitution itself, designating the President as the sole
Commander in Chief of our armed forces under Article II.” [Lindsey] Graham noted
that presidents have taken “over 130 military actions” without congressional
authorization throughout U.S. history.

“None have been stopped by the U.S. Supreme Court.”

That last point is the only one that matters. The Supreme Court has never stopped
a president from conducting an operation. Not once. Whatever the Constitution
says about congressional war powers, the practical reality is that presidents can do
what they want.

https://govfacts.org/policy-security/military/war-powers/how-presidential-war-powers-work-without-congressional-approval/

you still haven't shown where they needed congressional approval for the action...

Why are you avoiding the question?

I never said he needed congressional approval BTW, I said congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. I know full well that our government has ignored this part of the constitution repeatedly.

Well, after our country being fed off of - like a dead whale carcass drifting at sea - during the Biden regime, gunboat diplomacy feels like a radical shift, and it is.

Unpredictability, and sudden use of force are political techniques Trump uses, some of the time to great effect.

Madoro’s Venezuela was at the nexus of many global risks for the U.S., particularly with respect to its ally Russia, whose oil is circulating around the globe in that ghost fleet looking for a place to land - due to U.S. sanctions - and be sold to fund the war in Ukraine.  Maduro’s Venezuela was a key partner in funding Russia.

Trump made the mistake of thinking Putin would deal equitably on Ukraine, but he just rope-a-doped and used the time and opening to prosecute the war further.

Looks like Trump has found a way squeeze Putin’s balls in a more serious way.  Now we are even commandeering Russian flagged vessels.

Hopefully this will contribute to a quicker end in Ukraine.

Personally, I wish he was more aggressive in this way domestically with respect to the funding of the domestic terrorism wielded by the Democrat party to destroy our country.

Hopefully we’ll see that, and then there will be fewer useful idiots being arrested and injured, and the illegal invasion of our country orchestrated during the Biden regime will be fully turned back.

PS: And don’t forget the prison nation of Cuba - taking Maduro out is shoving them over the brink economically….

There are a number of reasons to believe that this action will, in the long run, be good for the world. Will it actually play out that way? Will have to wait and see.

Trump is still full of BS about Venezuela though. Don't sell me (Trump, not you) on some fake story about the drugs and a law enforcement action or caring about the poor Venezuelan people.

There are a number of reasons to believe that this action will, in the long run, be good for the world. Will it actually play out that way? Will have to wait and see.

Trump is still full of BS about Venezuela though. Don't sell me (Trump, not you) on some fake story about the drugs and a law enforcement action or caring about the poor Venezuelan people.

Sure, that’s a clear pragmatic take on what looks like a larger strategic action that lends itself, in this case, to a whole bunch of easy humanitarian justifications.

Kinda like low hanging fruit for someone like Trump.

Why are you avoiding the question?

I never said he needed congressional approval BTW, I said congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. I know full well that our government has ignored this part of the constitution repeatedly.

Lul

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk

Sure, that’s a clear pragmatic take on what looks like a larger strategic action that lends itself, in this case, to a whole bunch of easy humanitarian justifications.

Kinda like low hanging fruit for someone like Trump.

It still seems like it is primarily about the oil though.

All things equal I would rather him have taken Kim Jong Un over Maduro but righteousness is not part of Trump's calculus.

It still seems like it is primarily about the oil though.

All things equal I would rather him have taken Kim Jong Un over Maduro but righteousness is not part of Trump's calculus.

I dunno.

He incinerated USAID and thus the funding of its global network of Marxist NGO’s, clawed back funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting = Provda, among other similar crimes against the American taxpayer.

It seems the luxury hotels used to house illegals can now catch their breath and repair all the damage they no doubt sustained.  Many more illegals likely wisely self-deported, reducing the amount of welfare fraud for sure.

In doing things like this he inched Americans out of slavery by at least that much.

If that isn’t righteous, nothing is.

Why are you avoiding the question?

I never said he needed congressional approval BTW, I said congress is supposed to be the one to declare war. I know full well that our government has ignored this part of the constitution repeatedly.

There's a reason Congress hasn't made a formal declaration of war since 1945.  Maybe you can do your homework and figure out why your comment is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter if the US Constitution grants Congress the authority to declare war.  What matters is that we are talking about foreign relations and international actions that affect more than just the US and whichever country with whom we happen to be angry at that moment.

I could toss out a few nouns that would be clues to the real answer, but then you'd be deprived of broadening your mind beyond the first dozen Google hits you see when asking it for assistance.

What is happening in Venezuela is perfectly fine by me.  I also think it was primarily for the oil but hey, if we can wack those drug fuckers while we're at it, by all means, wack away.

The way I see it, better the US is at the reins as far as Venezuelan oil than China, Russia, and whoever else who would like the US to burn to the ground.

My personal take on the drug war:  Wack away at those drug pushing pukes but an equal amount of effort and resources should be spent on destroying the demand for it. 

That being said, I think destroying the demand for drugs is harder.  I don't even have a clue as to where to start.  But I think the answer lies somewhere in the deterioration of our society.

And in my opinion you can blame the damn demorats for that.