This Afgan pig looks too alive to me to have been shot 4 times.

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This Afgan pig looks too alive to me to have been shot 4 times.

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The pic of him seems like the rounds bounced off.......

The pic of him seems like the rounds bounced off.......

Yep need a much bigger hole puncher in general.

I get the whole “not everyone can handle the recoil” line, but the fact is, that shouldn’t be the standard.  The standard is terminal ballistics.

If full power 10mm Auto is too much, why not the .45ACP then?

At typical engagement distances bullet drop is not material, at all.  .45 ACP is an awesome round for semiautos, obliviously.

He could have done more damage.  He looks like he’s in restraints and still raring to go.

Anyway, it’s not my problem, but I believe the current thinking is wrong.  LE & Military should be up to the tools needed for the job, not the tools compromised.  That’s more dangerous to them in the end.

Yep need a much bigger hole puncher in general.

I get the whole “not everyone can handle the recoil” line, but the fact is, that shouldn’t be the standard.  The standard is terminal ballistics.

If full power 10mm Auto is too much, why not the .45ACP then?

At typical engagement distances bullet drop is not material, at all.  .45 ACP is an awesome round for semiautos, obliviously.

He could have done more damage.  He looks like he’s in restraints and still raring to go.

Anyway, it’s not my problem, but I believe the current thinking is wrong.  LE & Military should be up to the tools needed for the job, not the tools compromised.  That’s more dangerous to them in the end.

The real solution isn't more ballistic energy or larger wounds, but a dose of real world training.  I was taught to place 2 in the thoracic cavity within 2-3 seconds.  If that doesn't stop the threat, then the bonus prize is one in the cranial-ocular cavity.  That's to overcome any potential factors making the first 2 rounds ineffectual, like drugs, body armor, or just plain bad luck that the projectile missed everything that's vital.  Once the threat is no longer active, take a few seconds to scan the area left and right of you to make sure there are no additional threats needing attention.

In this case, i believe the bonus round would have been appropriate if the first two failed to drop him.  If he's still armed and able to move, he's a threat.  You will be second guessed by Monday morning security "experts", but in the heat of the moment, you do what you're trained to do.  It's your fault if the firearm you carry doesn't stop a bear like this guy.  You keep shooting until it does.  The movies would have you believe every shot equals a dead bad guy.  This is the really real world!  If you have bullets and he's still trying to come at you, the fight's not over.

The real solution isn't more ballistic energy or larger wounds, but a dose of real world training.  I was taught to place 2 in the thoracic cavity within 2-3 seconds.  If that doesn't stop the threat, then the bonus prize is one in the cranial-ocular cavity.  That's to overcome any potential factors making the first 2 rounds ineffectual, like drugs, body armor, or just plain bad luck that the projectile missed everything that's vital.  Once the threat is no longer active, take a few seconds to scan the area left and right of you to make sure there are no additional threats needing attention.

In this case, i believe the bonus round would have been appropriate if the first two failed to drop him.  If he's still armed and able to move, he's a threat.  You will be second guessed by Monday morning security "experts", but in the heat of the moment, you do what you're trained to do.  It's your fault if the firearm you carry doesn't stop a bear like this guy.  You keep shooting until it does.  The movies would have you believe every shot equals a dead bad guy.  This is the really real world!  If you have bullets and he's still trying to come at you, the fight's not over.

No argument over the criticality of shot placement - it’s a given that that is always the first objective, but humans are not static paper targets, so probabilities of succeeding at such precise placement are lower.  All else equal, greater penetration and blood loss is better than lesser penetration and blood loss - so nothing new in this ancient debate.

From the looks of it he must have been shot in the ass or something anyway!

From the looks of it he must have been shot in the ass or something anyway!

 

Seriously, I went back and looked at the pics again.  Makes me wonder if they shot him at all and just told him to get down or we'll shoot.

Then a gay officer found him to be an attractive hunk and suggested they take off his clothes.....

Seriously, I went back and looked at the pics again.  Makes me wonder if they shot him at all and just told him to get down or we'll shoot.

Then a gay officer found him to be an attractive hunk and suggested they take off his clothes.....

That’s the most plausible theory I’ve heard.

Or maybe they gave him a full physical to make sure he’s Ok.

That’s the most plausible theory I’ve heard.

Or maybe they gave him a full physical to make sure he’s Ok.

The pictures are not very good, but there appears (to me) that there's a gauze pad or bandage on his left thigh around his hip region -- mostly covered by one of the restraint straps.

That pad/bandage could be covering a bullet entry wound.  If it hit his hip/joint, it could very well have immobilized him.  That would explain why he needed to have his pants removed if they had to treat that area.

my initial thought was they stripped him in case of explosives
i read that medics if they are looking for bullet wounds may cut off lots of clothing
and it was speculated that they purposely neglected to cover him up...

Seriously, I went back and looked at the pics again.  Makes me wonder if they shot him at all and just told him to get down or we'll shoot.

I watched a TIMCAST podcast posted a day ago but only now got to watch it.  He shared some posts where it was said a National Guard Major took out the only weapon he had which was a small pocketknife and stabbed the suspect in the head.

Another Guardsman with a loaded firearm shot the suspect multiple times, hitting him in the leg and buttocks.

That would explain why I didn't see any gunshot wounds from the picture of him being loaded on the ambulance.

That aside, this whirlwind of an event really produced some shitty reporting from all of the media which proves these f*ckers are only interested in getting the story out, (any fricken story) as fast as possible to beat their competitor.  Never mind the facts, never mind the details.

Clicks and views matter, screw everything else.  Ratings are everything.

How embarrassing for the Governor of West Virginia to post online his condolences for his 2 Guardsmen that were still alive but in critical condition.  He had to later apologize and retract his post.

But sadly one of them, the female Guardsmen died not too long ago.

At typical engagement distances bullet drop is not material, at all.  .45 ACP is an awesome round for semiautos, obliviously.

LE & Military should be up to the tools needed for the job, not the tools compromised. 

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...adding my 2 cents now...
Regarding injuries to the perp.
The pattern was hits to the lower body. LEO are trained to hit center of mass, not the legs.
When I go to the range, it's very common to see beginners push their shots low due to flinching. Ie. Anticipated recoil and blast. That's my theory. Have you ever heard the saying, "It's the fool, not the tool!".

I watched a TIMCAST podcast posted a day ago but only now got to watch it.  He shared some posts where it was said a National Guard Major took out the only weapon he had which was a small pocketknife and stabbed the suspect in the head.

Another Guardsman with a loaded firearm shot the suspect multiple times, hitting him in the leg and buttocks.

That would explain why I didn't see any gunshot wounds from the picture of him being loaded on the ambulance.

That aside, this whirlwind of an event really produced some shitty reporting from all of the media which proves these f*ckers are only interested in getting the story out, (any fricken story) as fast as possible to beat their competitor.  Never mind the facts, never mind the details.

Clicks and views matter, screw everything else.  Ratings are everything.

How embarrassing for the Governor of West Virginia to post online his condolences for his 2 Guardsmen that were still alive but in critical condition.  He had to later apologize and retract his post.

But sadly one of them, the female Guardsmen died not too long ago.

Yep saw that - good summary.

The monster apparently used a .357 revolver.

What’s most interesting is that there are reports that there were a series of name searches for him immediately prior to his attack - which he drove across the country to do - so maybe this also connected to The Party^TM…

https://x.com/jenvanlaar/status/1994247680802066527?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1994247680802066527%7Ctwgr%5E07c2876a8cd6ecf438341c5718275ea8873957a4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fguard-member-dies-after-potential-dc-terrorist-attack-trump-pushes-emergency-migration

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...adding my 2 cents now...
Regarding injuries to the perp.
The pattern was hits to the lower body. LEO are trained to hit center of mass, not the legs.
When I go to the range, it's very common to see beginners push their shots low due to flinching. Ie. Anticipated recoil and blast. That's my theory. Have you ever heard the saying, "It's the fool, not the tool!".

Sure.

I know that whenever I post something critical of the sacred 9mm I will get this.

Don’t care.  I believe I’m making a valid point, and will continue to do so as the situation arises in which it’s pertinent.

Not trying to be argumentative or disparaging - but then, it should be clear that that’s not my angle to begin with here.

… or maybe let me put it another way:  The 9mm was NOT chosen by LE & Military for its superior terminal ballistics.  There were other considerations.  Not saying the latter are not valid, but I am saying the former, that’s all.

Sure.

I know that whenever I post something critical of the sacred 9mm I will get this.

Don’t care.  I believe I’m making a valid point, and will continue to do so as the situation arises in which it’s pertinent.

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Fyi, I don't care for 9mm either. My regular practice pistol is a rather old colt gov 45.
My regular ccw isn't a 9mm either.

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Fyi, I don't care for 9mm either. My regular practice pistol is a rather old colt gov 45.
My regular ccw isn't a 9mm either.

I find that not the least bit surprising, Mr. Emeritus (like to use Mr., but will not use “old” or “fart” in addressing you)!

Yep saw that - good summary.

The monster apparently used a .357 revolver.

What’s most interesting is that there are reports that there were a series of name searches for him immediately prior to his attack - which he drove across the country to do - so maybe this also connected to The Party^TM…

https://x.com/jenvanlaar/status/1994247680802066527?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1994247680802066527%7Ctwgr%5E07c2876a8cd6ecf438341c5718275ea8873957a4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fguard-member-dies-after-potential-dc-terrorist-attack-trump-pushes-emergency-migration

Thanks for sharing this.  Oh man, this is f*cked up.  No amount of popcorn in the world will prepare anyone for what I think is coming in the near future.

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...adding my 2 cents now...
Regarding injuries to the perp.
The pattern was hits to the lower body. LEO are trained to hit center of mass, not the legs.
When I go to the range, it's very common to see beginners push their shots low due to flinching. Ie. Anticipated recoil and blast. That's my theory. Have you ever heard the saying, "It's the fool, not the tool!".

That would make a lot of sense. All things equal a .40 or a 10mm is going to be more effective however I think round placement is more significant than 9mm vs .40 or .45.

45?  Need the elephant gun to take him down.

 
Luv that scene...one of my favs