https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/suspect-charged-in-nimitz-beach-robbery-kidnapping/

if someone tries to drive off with your children in the backseat justifiable shoot?

this guy's history of achievements

https://www.westhawaiitoday.com/2016/09/02/hawaii-news/man-admits-he-wanted-cops-to-kill-him/

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2016/10/15/hawaii-news/furlough-violator-gets-10-years-for-armed-confrontation-with-police/

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/461646

Pam Bondi and the DOJ, hurry up!!!!

Hawaii don't give a shit about us.  Criminals are loose.  The revolving door is not broken, in fact it works too well.  Well-oiled and spins freely.

Meanwhile governor green is tucking his shirts in his pants when he really shouldn't.

https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/suspect-charged-in-nimitz-beach-robbery-kidnapping/

if someone tries to drive off with your children in the backseat justifiable shoot?

this guy's history of achievements

https://www.westhawaiitoday.com/2016/09/02/hawaii-news/man-admits-he-wanted-cops-to-kill-him/

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2016/10/15/hawaii-news/furlough-violator-gets-10-years-for-armed-confrontation-with-police/

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/461646

The real question is would you endanger the lives of the kids by shooting in their general direction?

Then there's the issue of shooting at a fleeing criminal.  He's not a threat to you, and I don't think kidnapping is included in the rules of self defense.  Will the court look at that as a justified shooting?  Only rape, severe bodily harm and loss of life are legal grounds for using deadly force in most defense cases.

What Rocky said ...

In that split-second instant, different people will reach different decisions.  These kinds of questions are good to bring up and discuss before anyone is faced with such a scenario.  It's why shoot/no-shoot exercises were developed -- to  help condition armed individuals to know which decision is best given the facts at hand.

Then there's the issue of shooting at a fleeing criminal.  He's not a threat to you, and I don't think kidnapping is included in the rules of self defense.  Will the court look at that as a justified shooting?  Only rape, severe bodily harm and loss of life are legal grounds for using deadly force in most defense cases.

Deadly force is justifiable to prevent a kidnapping.

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if someone tries to drive off with your children in the backseat justifiable shoot?

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Absolutely. I would do it in a second.
As long as it's a clear shot.
That's why I practice a lot.
Y'all should practice too.

    The use of deadly force is justifiable if the actor believes that deadly force is necessary to protect the actor against Death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping, rape or forcible sodomy.
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I often wonder why the word "forcible" is used in that one instance only. 

  Only rape, severe bodily harm and loss of life are legal grounds for using deadly force in most defense cases.

    The use of deadly force is justifiable if the actor believes that deadly force is necessary to protect the actor against Death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping, rape or forcible sodomy.
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I often wonder why the word "forcible" is used in that one instance only. 

That one’s there to protect Leftists, who even fly flags over government buildings celebrating sodomy…



Apparently, it’s basically like a handshake with them.