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I wish I could participate, but I’m now fully red-pilled on Hawaii.

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I never said what they posted on social media to not worry about. You assume it's about this topic. I could be talking about a bbq or something else.

My post was about a post on a post that may or may not be about another post of a post worthy topic, of which I support, but don't support, or have a neutral stance. But in the end, HIFICO post on social media, so I'm correct.

I never said what they posted on social media to not worry about. You assume it's about this topic. I could be talking about a bbq or something else.

My post was about a post on a post that may or may not be about another post of a post worthy topic, of which I support, but don't support, or have a neutral stance. But in the end, HIFICO post on social media, so I'm correct.

You should write legislation. This is exactly the level of clarity they are looking for. 

no one here posts off topic...

I never said what they posted on social media to not worry about. You assume it's about this topic. I could be talking about a bbq or something else.

My post was about a post on a post that may or may not be about another post of a post worthy topic, of which I support, but don't support, or have a neutral stance. But in the end, HIFICO post on social media, so I'm correct.

I’m obviously not.

On the contrary, I’m asking, now that they’re busy “revising it to include checks and balances” - why they clearly intend to keep this whole section in the law?

It’s not about unregistered firearms etc.

So, in that context, I ask YOU - why do you so glibly ignore everything that follows those six words?

Don’t bother responding, because you certainly do not know why it’s there anymore than I do - given 134-7.2.

Further, and more to my point of view - in its totality, there is absolutely nothing to be sanguine about when a one-party state demands the right to go to full-on police state - any f^*cking time for any reason - kapish?

…oh yeah, almost forgot - ON AN ISLAND POPULATION 2000 MILES FROM ANYWHERE.

Have a nice day everyone.

I posted my analysis of the entire passage already.  My conclusion was exactly what mac just posted from HIFICO.

I feel I'm not being "glib."  I've been completely logical and fully descriptive in my replies.  You, however, keep reposting your quoted excerpt with everything except those 6 words  highlighted, and you haven't provided a reasonable explanation why what follows is able to bypass the stated exception.

I see no reason to debate the text of the bill any further.  You're free to believe whatever you want.

I posted my analysis of the entire passage already.  My conclusion was exactly what mac just posted from HIFICO.

I feel I'm not being "glib."  I've been completely logical and fully descriptive in my replies.  You, however, keep reposting your quoted excerpt with everything except those 6 words  highlighted, and you haven't provided a reasonable explanation why what follows is able to bypass the stated exception.

I see no reason to debate the text of the bill any further.  You're free to believe whatever you want.

Those six words are our only protection from a framework that clearly states that private property does not exist, the government owns everything, and they can take it back from us any time they want.

The framework underneath those six words is extremely dangerous and must be destroyed, otherwise it's only a matter of time until they implement it.

This is just my opinion but in states like hawaii, I feel you no can win.  Especially when it's a one party dominant state it's pretty much they do what ever they want to. 

Like hawaii's gun laws.  It's never gonna be cut and dry because they won't allow it to.  A victory like the Bruen case only brings out bullshit like Aloha spirit overides 2nd amendment rights.

But I keep my guns and ammo safe, out of sight and in perfect operating order.

Because the way I see it, no permit in the universe means anything once we have WROL.


When WROL arrives, it will just be those who have and those who have not.  Those who have not can cry me a river.

I just going laugh.

This is just my opinion but in states like hawaii, I feel you no can win.  Especially when it's a one party dominant state it's pretty much they do what ever they want to. 

Like hawaii's gun laws.  It's never gonna be cut and dry because they won't allow it to.  A victory like the Bruen case only brings out bullshit like Aloha spirit overides 2nd amendment rights.

But I keep my guns and ammo safe, out of sight and in perfect operating order.

Because the way I see it, no permit in the universe means anything once we have WROL.


When WROL arrives, it will just be those who have and those who have not.  Those who have not can cry me a river.

I just going laugh.

This new version would allow the legislature to overturn any governors emergency proc too. But seeming how it's DNC controlled, that's not going to happen, unless there's a GOP governor.

Those six words are our only protection from a framework that clearly states that private property does not exist, the government owns everything, and they can take it back from us any time they want.

The framework underneath those six words is extremely dangerous and must be destroyed, otherwise it's only a matter of time until they implement it.

When it comes to protecting property, you're right.  The government "permits" you to use your property as you wish as long as you ask permission (i.e. the whole permitting and inspection process).  i've seen where people had to fight in court over the local government fining them tens of thousands for having built a shed on their property.  The only way the government could even see the shed was a drone they used to fly over properties for "aerial inspections at low altitude."  several courts have said that's a 4th Amendment violation of the property owner's privacy, but here the US Constitution appears to be just a recommendation rather than restrictions on government.

Local governments around the country have started raising revenue and stealing people's homes for nonpayment of fines similar to an HOA.  Lots of ridiculous cases floating around on YT, etc.

The only thing that seems to be of use here is taking the government to court and letting the judge rub the offending parties' noses in the law.  So, as long as there are laws prohibiting gun confiscations or permit and license suspensions during declared emergencies, we do have recourse available if they don't play by the rules.

I see no reason to debate the text of the bill any further.  You're free to believe whatever you want.

I recon then that we each feel the same way about each other.

On this we can agree.

So, as long as there are laws prohibiting gun confiscations or permit and license suspensions during declared emergencies, we do have recourse available if they don't play by the rules.

Since 2020 they've been rigged elections using mail in ballots, coerced healthy people into taking dangerous experimental drugs, and burned down Lahaina in order to turn it into Aloha Disneyland.

When push comes to shove do you really think they care about legal nuance?

Those six words are our only protection from a framework that clearly states that private property does not exist, the government owns everything, and they can take it back from us any time they want.

The framework underneath those six words is extremely dangerous and must be destroyed, otherwise it's only a matter of time until they implement it.

Some look at what follows those six words and say “Must be they missed getting rid of those. Or something ….”

Others say, “all else equal, there must be some reason they insist on them being there….”

It’s kinda of like you hear a noise at night in your garage.  You go down there and flip on the light, and immediately see things have been moved around - but no one’s there…

Some go right back up and sleep like a baby.

Others check their weapon.

Since 2020 they've been rigged elections using mail in ballots, coerced healthy people into taking dangerous experimental drugs, and burned down Lahaina in order to turn it into Aloha Disneyland.

When push comes to shove do you really think they care about legal nuance?

I don't think you know the meaning of that word you used -- "Nuance."

"The difference between a living human being and a flesh-eating zombie is just nuance."       ["A subtle or slight degree of difference,"]

I don't think you know the meaning of that word you used -- "Nuance."

It's true, but to be fair I have to compete with the devil in your other ear that keeps lulling you back to sleep with soft comfortable lies. 

It's true, but to be fair I have to compete with the devil in your other ear that keeps lulling you back to sleep with soft comfortable lies. 

You're just jealous that I have more friends than you!

 

You're just jealous that I have more friends than you!

 

It's all fun and games until the communists declare an emergency and kick in your door demanding "equitable redistribution" of your resources.

We pay taxes over and over again on our stuff only to find out that the law says we don't really own any of it.

It's all fun and games until the communists declare an emergency and kick in your door demanding "equitable redistribution" of your resources.

We pay taxes over and over again on our stuff only to find out that the law says we don't really own any of it.

Seems there are those who learned absolutely nothing from the tyranny-under-guise-of-public health that was COVID.

Count yourself as blessed that you are one of them.

That was just an appetizer.

In that vein, you gotta love their intro to these bills:

“The legislature finds that the emergence of COVID-l9 and its variants created a great challenge to global health, the economy, and the world's way of life.  The governor and county mayors had to exercise their emergency powers under chapter 127A, Hawaii Revised Statutes, to impose rules aimed to control the spread of COVID-l9.  The enforcement of those rules was critical to efforts to limit the spread of COVID—l9, protect the health and safety of the community, manage medical resources, and promote economic recovery.”

Guess they figure enough time has passed that the minds are all completely blank out there - and they’re right.

They learned from their mistakes, and are now making appropriate adjustments…

Perhaps this language in the bill is what explains why everything beyond those famous six words is still there - in spite of 134-7.2.

The Governor appears to have been given a completely general power to suspend ANY law he deems necessary:

“ (3) [Su~pcnd] Except as provided in section 127A-
14 suspend any law that impedes or tends to impede or be
15 detrimental to the expeditious and efficient execution
16 of, or to conflict with, emergency functions,
17 including laws that by this chapter specifically are
18 made applicable to emergency personnel; provided that
19 any suspension of law shall be no broader and last no
20 longer than the governor deems necessary for the
21 execution of emergency management functions, …”

127A- appears to only pertain to the provision of records, etc.

There doesn’t appear to be any limit or qualification to this power, whatsoever.

Perhaps this is how 134-7.2 goes bye-bye, and all that follows kicks in.

This makes sense of that entire section in question.

As a reminder this is in HB2236HD1

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=2236&year=2026

They can find loopholes if they tried hard enough.  Like they could ban magazines under an emergency order as they are firearm accessories, not firearms, and not protected under the 2A according to the 9th Circuit court.

Afterall, why would you need more than one round for self-defense anyways?

They can find loopholes if they tried hard enough.  Like they could ban magazines under an emergency order as they are firearm accessories, not firearms, and not protected under the 2A according to the 9th Circuit court.

Afterall, why would you need more than one round for self-defense anyways?

Good point - why pick through their garbage looking for clues.

We know what we’re dealing with…

Have a Great Day Dude!

(not being sarcastic - as is my reputation…)