Rapback (Read 1446 times)

dryaku

Rapback
« on: March 24, 2026, 07:29:04 AM »
I was wondering if Rapback has caused you to not buy any new firearms since it was passed in Hawaii?  I haven't bought anything new since then.
Does anyone who still buys firearms feel that we have no choice?
Is not buying any new firearms since passing keeping people off of the database or do you think that we are in some kind of database like Rapback anyway?Mahalo!

changemyoil66

Re: Rapback
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2026, 07:51:07 AM »
There is no feeling, it's law and new gun buyers have no choice.

There's a RAPBACK thread that you can read for more info.

hvybarrels

Re: Rapback
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2026, 08:58:14 AM »
There is no feeling, it's law and new gun buyers have no choice.

That's not true.

Ever notice how the timing almost perfectly coincides with the explosion of ghost guns?

The legislature created a market, just like they did with aerial fireworks.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: Rapback
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2026, 12:46:28 PM »
That's not true.

Ever notice how the timing almost perfectly coincides with the explosion of ghost guns?

The legislature created a market, just like they did with aerial fireworks.

RAPBACK passed back in 2016ish.  At the time, homemade guns were legal as long as you registered them after if it became more than 80% of a "firearm".

hvybarrels

Re: Rapback
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2026, 02:18:46 PM »
RAPBACK passed back in 2016ish.  At the time, homemade guns were legal as long as you registered them after if it became more than 80% of a "firearm".

Yeah but at some point people decided to stop registering them en masse, which created an entire underground economy
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rapback
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2026, 03:37:03 PM »
Yeah but at some point people decided to stop registering them en masse, which created an entire underground economy
You believe that point was after RAPBACK?

Oh, sweet Summer child!

Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, homemade firearms, or "Privately Manufactured Firearms" (PMFs), were 100% legal with no federal controls placed on them.  As of 1968, if you intended to sell or distribute the guns you made, you had to have an FFL and each gun must have a unique serial number.

It wasn't until Aug 2022 that the BATFE enacted a rule to categorize "a weapon parts kit that is designed to or may readily be completed, assembled, restored, or otherwise converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive" as a "firearm" -- the same way a receiver or frame is categorized for purposes of registration, background checks, etc.

I view this as the opposite situation than people en masse not registering. Instead, the rules by which the game is played were changed so that previous PMFs were now being treated differently.  Private Manufacturers were suddenly transformed from law abiding citizen to firearm felon overnight based on no actions on the part of the individuals.

This is the slippery slope the gun control zealots have been using.  Each time they make it more difficult to buy a gun legally, PMF numbers increase.  Each person they ban from owning guns -- sometimes for being convicted of a non-violent, blue collar crime like insider trading -- the government adds another name to the list of potential customers shopping in that underground marketplace.  With the legitimate sources of guns becoming more restrictive, it's only natural they would turn their focus to the less traditional sources:  DIY kits and ready-made ghost guns.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Rapback
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2026, 04:27:57 PM »
You believe that point was after RAPBACK?

Oh, sweet Summer child!

Prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968, homemade firearms, or "Privately Manufactured Firearms" (PMFs), were 100% legal with no federal controls placed on them.  As of 1968, if you intended to sell or distribute the guns you made, you had to have an FFL and each gun must have a unique serial number.

It wasn't until Aug 2022 that the BATFE enacted a rule to categorize "a weapon parts kit that is designed to or may readily be completed, assembled, restored, or otherwise converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive" as a "firearm" -- the same way a receiver or frame is categorized for purposes of registration, background checks, etc.

I view this as the opposite situation than people en masse not registering. Instead, the rules by which the game is played were changed so that previous PMFs were now being treated differently.  Private Manufacturers were suddenly transformed from law abiding citizen to firearm felon overnight based on no actions on the part of the individuals.

This is the slippery slope the gun control zealots have been using.  Each time they make it more difficult to buy a gun legally, PMF numbers increase.  Each person they ban from owning guns -- sometimes for being convicted of a non-violent, blue collar crime like insider trading -- the government adds another name to the list of potential customers shopping in that underground marketplace.  With the legitimate sources of guns becoming more restrictive, it's only natural they would turn their focus to the less traditional sources:  DIY kits and ready-made ghost guns.

You could just say you agree with me without all the extra words

But then I guess it wouldn't be the flap show
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rapback
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2026, 10:46:25 PM »
You could just say you agree with me without all the extra words

But then I guess it wouldn't be the flap show

If you think i agreed with you, all those "extra words" must have been too long for you to read.

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Rapback
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2026, 12:14:54 AM »
If you think i agreed with you, all those "extra words" must have been too long for you to read.

 :geekdanc:

"Each time they make it more difficult to buy a gun legally, PMF numbers increase."
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rapback
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2026, 03:27:40 AM »
"Each time they make it more difficult to buy a gun legally, PMF numbers increase."
That's not the same as "Yeah but at some point people decided to stop registering them en masse..."

Making <> deciding to stop registering

Only after the number of PMFs being made increased significantly did the rule get changed to force registration of all ghost guns and 80% receiver kits.  Prior to that, there was no need to register except in states with 100% registration laws like ours. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Rapback
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2026, 11:10:26 AM »
I can understand why people wouldn't want to give their info to the FBI

Kash and Dan were supposed to reform it but one looks like a hostage and the other quit

I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: Rapback
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2026, 03:12:38 PM »
I can understand why people wouldn't want to give their info to the FBI

Kash and Dan were supposed to reform it but one looks like a hostage and the other quit



Well the good news is no one is actually in RAPBACK, even though we all paid a fee for it to be in it.