only in America... (Read 1935 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2026, 10:53:50 PM »
"The idea is to protest before someone becomes a dictator because once they become one then it becomes a lot harder to stop them."
so you made a statement of fact, then now, when challenged, you are moving goalposts to "i don't have statistical data"
got it...

Not really, I am acknowledging that a blanket statement cannot be made about such a large group. If I had said no one believes Trump a dictator all you would have to do is find one extreme to prove me wrong.

As I said, this is just my read of the protest, I could be wrong. If you have data to suggest otherwise I am all ears

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2026, 10:54:44 PM »
no one is laughing

Some are laughing, or perhaps more specifically they are mocking. Does it matter?

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2026, 10:56:21 PM »
please show me where i asked for "statistical data"...

Please show me where I said you asked for statistical data. 

I added that part about statistical data as a disclaimer.

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2026, 11:08:07 PM »
Protesting a bill that's been proposed to the legislature doesn't need to become law before a protest.  A bill is 100% more of a basis to protest than "something you think is going to happen but hasn't happened yet."

You're comparison is as stupid as your protesting against things people think might happen.

This belief is no different than believing you're a woman in a man's body.  It's all in your mind.  Getting others to validate your delusion doesn't make it a protest.  It makes it stupid x however many people you convice to march.

You made assertions such as "he is on the path to being a dictator."  Where is your evidence that assertion is true?


Unfortunately dictators becoming dictators don't really follow the process of a bill becoming law now do they?

Would you wait for Hitler to come to power before protesting him? After all, the logic of your rebuttal is to basically say wait until the person actually becomes a dictator (in other words when it is too late). And no I am not saying Trump is like Hitler.

Trump has exceeded his authority numerous times in going to war, executive orders, trying to circumvent the constitution (birthright citizenship) etc. He has put people in place who put loyalty to him over to country, he has enriched himself and his family with the office of the president (far more than even Hunter Biden), he has mentioned not leaving office, he pardoned people who tried to keep him in office after he lost, he renamed a building after himself, he protects his side with the DOJ. I could go on but for many no amount of evidence will ever be enough. They will call it fake news or something else to help them rationalize away Trump's worrying authoritarian tendencies. 

hvybarrels

Re: only in America...
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2026, 11:28:42 PM »
Abraham Lincoln was a dictator, but he won so the opportunists rewrote history to make him the hero.

I expect the same for Trump, although hopefully in this case the opportunists get locked up before they have a chance to assassinate him.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: only in America...
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2026, 01:40:39 AM »

Unfortunately dictators becoming dictators don't really follow the process of a bill becoming law now do they?

Would you wait for Hitler to come to power before protesting him? After all, the logic of your rebuttal is to basically say wait until the person actually becomes a dictator (in other words when it is too late). And no I am not saying Trump is like Hitler.

Trump has exceeded his authority numerous times in going to war, executive orders, trying to circumvent the constitution (birthright citizenship) etc. He has put people in place who put loyalty to him over to country, he has enriched himself and his family with the office of the president (far more than even Hunter Biden), he has mentioned not leaving office, he pardoned people who tried to keep him in office after he lost, he renamed a building after himself, he protects his side with the DOJ. I could go on but for many no amount of evidence will ever be enough. They will call it fake news or something else to help them rationalize away Trump's worrying authoritarian tendencies.

Since we haven't had an actual dictator in the Presidency in my lifetime, any comparison you try to draw between a president -- any president -- and an actual dictator from recent memory, your comments are nothing but hyperbole.  The majority of the actions you listed were dishonestly propagandized by a Trump-hating media.

Obama exceeded his authority many times.  So did Biden.  But only Trump is a dictator?  Maybe if the media had been as critical of those two as they have Trump you and others would have a more grounded opinion on what constitutes a dictatorship. 

Typical TDS BS taking up space in the forum.
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macsak

Re: only in America...
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2026, 05:07:49 AM »
i asked for one person other than yourself
you answered "statistical data"
goalposts moved...

Please show me where I said you asked for statistical data. 

I added that part about statistical data as a disclaimer.

macsak

Re: only in America...
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2026, 05:09:35 AM »
you were acknowledging a blanket statement cannot be made by making a blanket statement?
got it...

Not really, I am acknowledging that a blanket statement cannot be made about such a large group. If I had said no one believes Trump a dictator all you would have to do is find one extreme to prove me wrong.

As I said, this is just my read of the protest, I could be wrong. If you have data to suggest otherwise I am all ears
« Last Edit: April 07, 2026, 05:15:17 AM by macsak »

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2026, 08:23:04 PM »
i asked for one person other than yourself
you answered "statistical data"
goalposts moved...

Wrong

I gave my read of the protest, that was it. If you described a takeaway feeling of a protest I wouldn't claim that to be a blanket statement.

Why do you have a problem with me making a disclaimer? Would you prefer I be confident rather than consider that I could be statistically wrong? Unless you think 100% of attendees believe Trump is a dictator then asking for proof of one who doesn't would be insignificant.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2026, 08:51:54 PM by eyeeatingfish »

ren

Re: only in America...
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2026, 09:08:28 PM »
Some are laughing, or perhaps more specifically they are mocking. Does it matter?

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macsak

Re: only in America...
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2026, 09:15:19 PM »
wrong
you made a blanket statement that the protest was about the potential of him being a dictator
and when asked twice, you have still have yet to produce anyone other than yourself that stated that was what the protest was about
all you did was "make a disclaimer" (move goalposts)...

Wrong

I gave my read of the protest, that was it. If you described a takeaway feeling of a protest I wouldn't claim that to be a blanket statement.

Why do you have a problem with me making a disclaimer? Would you prefer I be confident rather than consider that I could be statistically wrong? Unless you think 100% of attendees believe Trump is a dictator then asking for proof of one who doesn't would be insignificant.

macsak

Re: only in America...
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2026, 09:17:45 PM »
no one is asking whether it is insignificant or not
i am asking you to produce one, which you have not...

Wrong

I gave my read of the protest, that was it. If you described a takeaway feeling of a protest I wouldn't claim that to be a blanket statement.

Why do you have a problem with me making a disclaimer? Would you prefer I be confident rather than consider that I could be statistically wrong? Unless you think 100% of attendees believe Trump is a dictator then asking for proof of one who doesn't would be insignificant.

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2026, 09:23:46 PM »
Since we haven't had an actual dictator in the Presidency in my lifetime, any comparison you try to draw between a president -- any president -- and an actual dictator from recent memory, your comments are nothing but hyperbole. 

#1 I wasn't drawing a comparison between Trump and other dictators, only pointing out that dictators have come to power through democratic elections before.
#2 Your argument basically boils down to "it hasn't happened here recently"... So what? All one needs to do is be a student of history and see how it has happened before.


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The majority of the actions you listed were dishonestly propagandized by a Trump-hating media.

I disagree with your opinion here.


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Obama exceeded his authority many times.  So did Biden.  But only Trump is a dictator? 

#1 Yes
#2 Yes
#3 I didn't say Trump was a dictator.
#4 Trump has taken it to a level beyond Obama or Biden.


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Maybe if the media had been as critical of those two as they have Trump you and others would have a more grounded opinion on what constitutes a dictatorship.

The right leaning media was extremely critical of those two. Regardless, your argument is a whataboutism. Even if you made an argument that Biden was a dictator and I agreed, that wouldn't change the question of whether Trump is a dictator or not. 



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Typical TDS BS taking up space in the forum.

So you prefer an echo chamber? You don't see me complaining about your cognitive dissonance, cult-like Trump worship taking up space.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2026, 09:28:52 PM by eyeeatingfish »

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2026, 09:53:28 PM »
no one is asking whether it is insignificant or not
i am asking you to produce one, which you have not...

I don't have one. I also don't have one saying he is a dictator either.

eyeeatingfish

Re: only in America...
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2026, 09:54:18 PM »
wrong
you made a blanket statement that the protest was about the potential of him being a dictator
and when asked twice, you have still have yet to produce anyone other than yourself that stated that was what the protest was about
all you did was "make a disclaimer" (move goalposts)...

I never claimed to have some level of proof, hence I said it was my read of the situation.

macsak

Re: only in America...
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2026, 10:15:04 PM »
"The idea is to protest before someone becomes a dictator because once they become one then it becomes a lot harder to stop them."
that is a statement of fact, not "my read of the situation"
you only moved goalposts when called out...

I never claimed to have some level of proof, hence I said it was my read of the situation.

macsak

Re: only in America...
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2026, 10:17:50 PM »
please show me where anyone asked you to provide someone saying he is a dictator
everyone at the protest was saying he was one
hence the name
it wasn't called "no potential to be king/dictator", 5-0...

I don't have one. I also don't have one saying he is a dictator either.

macsak

Re: only in America...
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2026, 10:21:07 PM »
why does it take 3.5-4 days for you to admit you got nothing?
even when asked TWICE?

I don't have one. I also don't have one saying he is a dictator either.

changemyoil66

Re: only in America...
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2026, 08:14:44 AM »
why does it take 3.5-4 days for you to admit you got nothing?
even when asked TWICE?

Cause his google-fu sucks.

ren

Re: only in America...
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2026, 11:35:49 AM »

So you prefer an echo chamber? You don't see me complaining about your cognitive dissonance, cult-like Trump worship taking up space.

yes. people come here on common grounds for the 2a. You come here to turn it into an MDA forum.
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