Cannabis reclassified (Read 253 times)

hvybarrels

Cannabis reclassified
« on: April 23, 2026, 08:42:45 AM »
It’s going from a schedule 1 to a schedule 3.

How long will it take HPD to stop harassing and discriminating against medical patients who want to apply for firearms permits?

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pot-stocks-soar-doj-reclassifies-medical-marijuana-less-dangerous-drug
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2026, 09:39:01 AM »
GOP:  The Party of Science
 :geekdanc: :thumbsup:

Well, more Sciencier than the alternative who can't even tell what a woman is.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2026, 09:48:53 AM »
Also Trump is expanding access to psychedelics for treatment of diseases like PTSD

This will do more to slow the veteran suicide epidemic than any gun law ever could.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/04/president-trumps-landmark-order-advances-breakthrough-mental-health-treatments-delivering-new-hope-to-veterans/
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Rocky

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2026, 11:07:18 AM »
"Americans for Ibogaine CEO W. Bryan Hubbard: “This began with a small group who refused to accept the status quo and fought to bring ibogaine into the United States healthcare system"

Wikipedia
"Nausea and vomiting can be severe.
Subjects may experience extreme confusion and/or a depressed mood.
 Nausea, headaches, and other side effects linger.
Insomnia, irritability, and mood changes are often seen, including depression and sometimes mania. 
Depression can persist well after 36 hours, known as a "grey day"; the effect is well-recognized
 significant acute and long-term adverse events (especially cardiac issues like QTc prolongation), including fatalities
 Ibogaine can cause various cardiovascular changes (e.g., slowed heart rate, blood pressure shifts), neurological effects (ataxia, tremor, mania), and rare but serious complications, including arrhythmias, respiratory failure, and death
A 2022 review found 58 ibogaine-associated emergencies, including 38 deaths


While I agree of the use of psychedelic drugs for the treatment of psychological issues, this drug seems more of a profit maker at the health expense of those treated.
Why not go back to that good ole Lysergic acid diethylamide 25, or the organic Shrooms and Peyote?
Never heard of any of those bad side affects in those, cept maybe some nausea on the shrooms
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changemyoil66

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2026, 11:36:51 AM »

Never heard of any of those bad side affects in those, cept maybe some nausea on the shrooms

My friends who do it beg to differ....

There was a docu on shroom and a guy who had constant migraines.  No RX helped him, he took shroom cause someone mentioned it.  Although he was tripping balls, his migraine was gone and for days.  IIRC he does shrooms once a weeek, but has to factor in his face melting for a few ours after consuming.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2026, 12:12:39 PM »
"Americans for Ibogaine CEO W. Bryan Hubbard: “This began with a small group who refused to accept the status quo and fought to bring ibogaine into the United States healthcare system"

Wikipedia
"Nausea and vomiting can be severe.
Subjects may experience extreme confusion and/or a depressed mood.
 Nausea, headaches, and other side effects linger.
Insomnia, irritability, and mood changes are often seen, including depression and sometimes mania. 
Depression can persist well after 36 hours, known as a "grey day"; the effect is well-recognized
 significant acute and long-term adverse events (especially cardiac issues like QTc prolongation), including fatalities
 Ibogaine can cause various cardiovascular changes (e.g., slowed heart rate, blood pressure shifts), neurological effects (ataxia, tremor, mania), and rare but serious complications, including arrhythmias, respiratory failure, and death
A 2022 review found 58 ibogaine-associated emergencies, including 38 deaths


While I agree of the use of psychedelic drugs for the treatment of psychological issues, this drug seems more of a profit maker at the health expense of those treated.
Why not go back to that good ole Lysergic acid diethylamide 25, or the organic Shrooms and Peyote?
Never heard of any of those bad side affects in those, cept maybe some nausea on the shrooms
First, over-the-counter drugs are not included in the DOJ Drug Schedule lists. Some OTC drugs do present a risk of abuse, such as taking more than directed or using it for problems unrelated to the drug's intended purpose.  We see tha with cold and cough medicines.

Second, the DOJ schedules are supposed to be based on the potential for abuse of a drug, not really whether it's a hallucinogen etc.

Pot is still considered a gateway drug for teens.  Once they abuse that enough times, they may start seeking out more dangerous drugs to achieve the same level of euphoria.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2026, 12:38:42 PM »
The pharmaceutical and psychiatric industries are terrified because this could mean the end to their broken windows profit model.

They are throwing everything they have trying to prevent alternatives to their expensive poison, so expect a lot of fear propaganda.

BTW cough syrup and air freshener are also gateway drugs, but there's no prohibition because they don't have the potential to replace half the stuff in your medicine cabinet.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Rocky

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2026, 03:04:01 PM »
My viewpoint is strictly from hearsay and not personal knowledge.  ;)
Your friends beg to differ regarding . . .?

My friends who do it beg to differ....

There was a docu on shroom and a guy who had constant migraines.  No RX helped him, he took shroom cause someone mentioned it.  Although he was tripping balls, his migraine was gone and for days.  IIRC he does shrooms once a weeek, but has to factor in his face melting for a few ours after consuming.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2026, 03:21:32 PM »
First, over-the-counter drugs are not included in the DOJ Drug Schedule lists. Some OTC drugs do present a risk of abuse, such as taking more than directed or using it for problems unrelated to the drug's intended purpose.  We see tha with cold and cough medicines.

Where did I mention OTC drugs ?
Ibogaine is classified as a Schedule1 drug.  Almost all controlled psychedelic drugs in the country are Schedule I controlled substances as of 2026, with a few exceptions


Second, the DOJ schedules are supposed to be based on the potential for abuse of a drug, not really whether it's a hallucinogen etc.

But hallucinogens are what my post is about, not DOJ schedules or potential abuse.
    By the way, have you ever heard of someone overdosing on  DMT, psilocin, psilocybin, mescaline, DOM, Nexus, 25I, MDA, or LSD ?
Not doing something stupid and dying (Look Ma, I can fly !  :crazy:) but actually dying from too much of the above ?
Besides, drug scheduling is done by the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) and U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), not DOJ


Pot is still considered a gateway drug for teens.  Once they abuse that enough times, they may start seeking out more dangerous drugs to achieve the same level of euphoria.

And masturbation is a gateway habit for teens. Once they abuse themselves enough times, they may start seeking out more dangerous sexual deviance to achieve the same level of euphoria.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
« Last Edit: April 23, 2026, 03:29:14 PM by Rocky »
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Rocky

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2026, 03:34:08 PM »
The pharmaceutical and psychiatric industries are terrified because this could mean the end to their broken windows profit model.
No, they are the ones wishing to provide Ibogaine

They are throwing everything they have trying to prevent alternatives to their expensive poison, so expect a lot of fear propaganda.
My description  was the affects of Ibogaine, I would promote the ones I mentioned as  they do not have the bad side affects.

BTW cough syrup and air freshener are also gateway drugs, but there's no prohibition because they don't have the potential to replace half the stuff in your medicine cabinet.
Or my Sharpie Marker ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

ren

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2026, 03:53:14 PM »
Deeds Not Words

hvybarrels

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2026, 07:14:33 PM »
The medical establishment has known since the 1960s that guided LSD trips in a clinical setting can cure alcoholism and all sorts of other mental illnesses, but the profit is marginal compared with a lifetime of prescription drugs and therapy that goes nowhere.

Some very deep pockets have a tremendous amount to lose, which is why they are rolling out the fear porn against Ibogaine.

Personally I would prefer more fully-functional citizens and fewer mass shooters on SSRIs.

I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Cannabis reclassified
« Reply #12 on: Today at 12:05:16 AM »
Where did I mention OTC drugs ?
Show me where I said you mentioned OTC drugs.   :wacko:

I was establishing a point of fact to show that many drugs we use without a prescription are available to the public and can be abused.

This was a tie-in for the next fact -- that the DOJ categorizes drugs as a given schedule type based on it's risk of abuse.  It has nothing to do with medicinal benefits, how lethal abusing the substance can be, or other criteria people tend to argue for and against when debating the legalization of pot.

But hallucinogens are what my post is about, not DOJ schedules or potential abuse.
That is true, but the topic is about reclassification of cannabus.  It's completely reasonable to assume your comments were made within that scope and context.

quote author=Rocky link=topic=58714.msg514669#msg514669 date=1776993692]
    By the way, have you ever heard of someone overdosing on  DMT, psilocin, psilocybin, mescaline, DOM, Nexus, 25I, MDA, or LSD ?
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Now you're doing what I just described:  arguing about overdoses leading to death as opposed to the potential risk of abusing the substance.  Two different criteria.  If we used lethality of drugs to assign schedule classifications, it wouldn't matter. You want to argue that drug abuse is not as bad if the risk of death is less?  I don't want to put words in your virtual mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong. There are plenty of consequences of drug abuse that don't include death: financial ruin, destroying marriages and other relationships, ancillary crimes like theft or prostitution to support their habit, impact on the work force, and so on.

quote author=Rocky link=topic=58714.msg514669#msg514669 date=1776993692]
And masturbation is a gateway habit for teens. Once they abuse themselves enough times,
they may start seeking out more dangerous sexual deviance to achieve the same level of euphoria.
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You lost any credibility you might have had by going off the rails and showing you aren't serious about anything you posted.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw