Never heard of any of those bad side affects in those, cept maybe some nausea on the shrooms

"Americans for Ibogaine CEO W. Bryan Hubbard: “This began with a small group who refused to accept the status quo and fought to bring ibogaine into the United States healthcare system"

Wikipedia
"Nausea and vomiting can be severe.
Subjects may experience extreme confusion and/or a depressed mood.
 Nausea, headaches, and other side effects linger.
Insomnia, irritability, and mood changes are often seen, including depression and sometimes mania. 
Depression can persist well after 36 hours, known as a "grey day"; the effect is well-recognized
 significant acute and long-term adverse events (especially cardiac issues like QTc prolongation), including fatalities
 Ibogaine can cause various cardiovascular changes (e.g., slowed heart rate, blood pressure shifts), neurological effects (ataxia, tremor, mania), and rare but serious complications, including arrhythmias, respiratory failure, and death
A 2022 review found 58 ibogaine-associated emergencies, including 38 deaths


While I agree of the use of psychedelic drugs for the treatment of psychological issues, this drug seems more of a profit maker at the health expense of those treated.
Why not go back to that good ole Lysergic acid diethylamide 25, or the organic Shrooms and Peyote?
Never heard of any of those bad side affects in those, cept maybe some nausea on the shrooms

My friends who do it beg to differ....

There was a docu on shroom and a guy who had constant migraines.  No RX helped him, he took shroom cause someone mentioned it.  Although he was tripping balls, his migraine was gone and for days.  IIRC he does shrooms once a weeek, but has to factor in his face melting for a few ours after consuming.

First, over-the-counter drugs are not included in the DOJ Drug Schedule lists. Some OTC drugs do present a risk of abuse, such as taking more than directed or using it for problems unrelated to the drug's intended purpose.  We see tha with cold and cough medicines.

Where did I mention OTC drugs ?
Ibogaine is classified as a Schedule1 drug.  Almost all controlled psychedelic drugs in the country are Schedule I controlled substances as of 2026, with a few exceptions


Second, the DOJ schedules are supposed to be based on the potential for abuse of a drug, not really whether it's a hallucinogen etc.

But hallucinogens are what my post is about, not DOJ schedules or potential abuse.
    By the way, have you ever heard of someone overdosing on  DMT, psilocin, psilocybin, mescaline, DOM, Nexus, 25I, MDA, or LSD ?
Not doing something stupid and dying (Look Ma, I can fly !  ) but actually dying from too much of the above ?
Besides, drug scheduling is done by the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) and U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), not DOJ

Pot is still considered a gateway drug for teens.  Once they abuse that enough times, they may start seeking out more dangerous drugs to achieve the same level of euphoria.

And masturbation is a gateway habit for teens. Once they abuse themselves enough times, they may start seeking out more dangerous sexual deviance to achieve the same level of euphoria. 

The pharmaceutical and psychiatric industries are terrified because this could mean the end to their broken windows profit model.
No, they are the ones wishing to provide Ibogaine

They are throwing everything they have trying to prevent alternatives to their expensive poison, so expect a lot of fear propaganda.
My description  was the affects of Ibogaine, I would promote the ones I mentioned as  they do not have the bad side affects.

BTW cough syrup and air freshener are also gateway drugs, but there's no prohibition because they don't have the potential to replace half the stuff in your medicine cabinet.
Or my Sharpie Marker !

Where did I mention OTC drugs ?

But hallucinogens are what my post is about, not DOJ schedules or potential abuse.

The medical establishment has known since the 1960s that guided LSD trips in a clinical setting can cure alcoholism and all sorts of other mental illnesses, but the profit is marginal compared with a lifetime of prescription drugs and therapy that goes nowhere.

Some very deep pockets have a tremendous amount to lose, which is why they are rolling out the fear porn against Ibogaine.

Personally I would prefer more fully-functional citizens and fewer mass shooters on SSRIs.

Show me where I said you mentioned OTC drugs.   
The first words of your reply were  "First, over-the-counter drugs" which implies my comment was about OTC

I was establishing a point of fact to show that many drugs we use without a prescription are available to the public and can be abused.
Again, my post had nothing to do with abuse other than big pharma again promoting a dangerous/unhealthy drug for profit.

This was a tie-in for the next fact -- that the DOJ categorizes drugs as a given schedule type based on it's risk of abuse.  It has nothing to do with medicinal benefits, how lethal abusing the substance can be, or other criteria people tend to argue for and against when debating the legalization of pot.
And again, drug scheduling is done by the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) and U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), not DOJ

That is true, but the topic is about reclassification of cannabus.  It's completely reasonable to assume your comments were made within that scope and context.
My comments were in relation to the scope and context of reclassification of Ibogaine from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3 as is being done (been done) with marijuana.

quote author=Rocky link=topic=58714.msg514669#msg514669 date=1776993692]
    By the way, have you ever heard of someone overdosing on  DMT, psilocin, psilocybin, mescaline, DOM, Nexus, 25I, MDA, or LSD ?

Now you're doing what I just described:  arguing about overdoses leading to death as opposed to the potential risk of abusing the substance.  Two different criteria.  If we used lethality of drugs to assign schedule classifications, it wouldn't matter.
No, I'm not "arguing" about " overdoses leading to death as opposed to the potential risk of abusing the substance." I'm arguing that Big Pharma is promoting a drug with greater dangerous side affects than cheaper more organic substances. And you did not answer my question

You want to argue that drug abuse is not as bad if the risk of death is less?  I don't want to put words in your virtual mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong. There are plenty of consequences of drug abuse that don't include death: financial ruin, destroying marriages and other relationships, ancillary crimes like theft or prostitution to support their habit, impact on the work force, and so on.
And again again,  I'm not "arguing" about drug abuse,  I'm arguing that Big Pharma is promoting a drug with greater dangerous side affects than cheaper more organic substances.

quote author=Rocky link=topic=58714.msg514669#msg514669 date=1776993692]
And masturbation is a gateway habit for teens. Once they abuse themselves enough times,
they may start seeking out more dangerous sexual deviance to achieve the same level of euphoria.

You lost any credibility you might have had by going off the rails and showing you aren't serious about anything you posted.

My post is very serious as it concerns rescheduling a big  Pharma drug with serious side affects to be administered to those with mental health issues (including military members) when there are safer alternatives available which is the gist of my post.[/b]

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