Help me understand this about Kealoha (Read 471 times)

changemyoil66

Help me understand this about Kealoha
« on: May 06, 2026, 10:33:17 AM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2026/05/06/ex-city-administrators-case-kealoha-payoff-wont-be-dismissed-early/?fbclid=IwY2xjawRohEdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETE4N0RoSG4xN1hPYzRSa2s3c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHtPHSV8uyeKJIL_5PWNS_pmY5vXjxEo1Wk_itFpernY7lzymxXQeuS6Eg6e9_aem_fz4irG03Pn_fyQ6r57bIMA

Why is Roy in trouble?  From what I'm understanding is he helped nudge the board/city to pay out Kealoha. Nothing wrong with that as the board/city is suppossed to make their own decision.  And at the time, Kealoha was innocent until proven guilty.  So it's the boards/city fault for messing up.

zippz

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2026, 12:53:09 PM »
The payment didn't go through the correct procedures and purposefully avoided the required vote by the city council.  So it was an illegal expenditure of public funds and a conspiracy.

hvybarrels

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2026, 04:43:38 PM »
The real conspiracy theorists are the ones who still think the government actually works for us
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2026, 07:39:30 PM »
The payment didn't go through the correct procedures and purposefully avoided the required vote by the city council.  So it was an illegal expenditure of public funds and a conspiracy.
How is that Roys fault?

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zippz

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2026, 11:42:09 PM »
How is that Roys fault?

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Aiding the illegal payment, conspiracy with the others for that act, and tried to cover it up.  Those are all crimes.

changemyoil66

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2026, 08:47:58 AM »
Aiding the illegal payment, conspiracy with the others for that act, and tried to cover it up.  Those are all crimes.

I found it. I did more googling since the article above didn't mention this.

Bsacially Roy was in a posisiton of power, but had no involvement with the payment decision itself. He told Okimoto who was asking all these questions about the payment being illagal to keep quiet.

Okimoto who wasn't charged was saying the payment would be illegal because since the city didn't have the money, they were going to diver funds from HPD salaries/recruitment, which this isn't allowed in this situation.  THe other 2 who were found guilty were saying somethign like "we will just shift funds around to cover it".

hvybarrels

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2026, 09:02:37 AM »
Just assume they are all corrupt liars spreading more fertilizer flavored frosting on a layer cake of criminal conspiracies and 9 times out of 10 you won’t be disappointed
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2026, 10:37:35 AM »
Why is Roy in trouble?  Because the Feds are doing the investigating.

If this had been kept in-house at the state level, there would be no need for a scapegoat since those rarely look for the truth or wrongdoing.  I believe this is a follow-on investigation from the mailbox case.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2026, 08:48:26 AM »
I see what you're getting at now.  The payment wasn't done out of personal greed but instead tied to a Federal investigation of the Kealoha's which led to federal charges.  The other two were hit with conspiracy and deprivation of rights, basically corruption charges.  Amamiya got consipracy.  Conspiracy is a very broad charge and can cover a lot of things.

Normally if this was done with no Federal involvement, there would be no charges and those involved fired from their positions or it covered up.

changemyoil66

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2026, 11:54:36 AM »
I see what you're getting at now.  The payment wasn't done out of personal greed but instead tied to a Federal investigation of the Kealoha's which led to federal charges.  The other two were hit with conspiracy and deprivation of rights, basically corruption charges.  Amamiya got consipracy.  Conspiracy is a very broad charge and can cover a lot of things.

Normally if this was done with no Federal involvement, there would be no charges and those involved fired from their positions or it covered up.

If Roy had no financial gain in this, or political gain as Kealoha was in a bad way at the time, why did he push the payment?  Same with the other 2.  A simple "lets check with legal if we can do this" would have solved all the problems.  "sorry Louie, we can't pay you out as we don't have the money." And if he sues, then let it be.  All the blame would be off their shoulders as legal told them they can't do this.

zippz

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2026, 04:18:20 PM »
If Roy had no financial gain in this, or political gain as Kealoha was in a bad way at the time, why did he push the payment?  Same with the other 2.  A simple "lets check with legal if we can do this" would have solved all the problems.  "sorry Louie, we can't pay you out as we don't have the money." And if he sues, then let it be.  All the blame would be off their shoulders as legal told them they can't do this.

Conspiracy doesn't require a motive, just that they planned to do something that was a federal crime.  He knew what he was doing was illegal.  He probably thought we can sweep all this stuff under the rug and get Kealoha off our backs, the worse that'll happen is the news reveals it and theres some controversy but people will forget about it.  Past thinking is anyone can get away with things and Feds don't care.  It was with Kealoha that Feds started caring and busting people.

QUIETShooter

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2026, 04:35:59 PM »
Geesh.  People always talk about the Feds being bad guys.

In this case the Feds are angels compared to local government.

I wish the Feds would investigate the Luke case.  See what they can uncover there.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2026, 05:05:05 PM »

I wish the Feds would investigate the Luke case.  See what they can uncover there.

The feds are investigating Luke.  That's why she left.

ren

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2026, 06:21:36 PM »
The feds are investigating Luke.  That's why she left.

I doubt she was the one who took the $35k. There's so much corruption in this State it's going to be a challenge to find who took what.

https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/49078/A-Bigger-Fish-than-Luke-AG-Bribery-Letter-Reopens-PUCHECO-Lahaina-Fire-Coverup

https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/46790/What-if-Sylvia-Luke-is-Telling-the-Truth
« Last Edit: May 08, 2026, 07:33:57 PM by ren »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2026, 01:00:55 AM »
If Roy had no financial gain in this, or political gain as Kealoha was in a bad way at the time, why did he push the payment? Same with the other 2.  A simple "lets check with legal if we can do this" would have solved all the problems.  "sorry Louie, we can't pay you out as we don't have the money." And if he sues, then let it be.  All the blame would be off their shoulders as legal told them they can't do this.

Motive doesn't have to be something you want.  It could also be preventing something you don't want.  For all we know at this point, there could have been a threat on his or a family member's life.

It doesn't take more than a few crime dramas to come up with a list of motives that are more sticks than carrots.  In a corrupt goernment, it seems there's always someone spilling dirt on someone else.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Help me understand this about Kealoha
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2026, 01:07:31 PM »
When Civil Beat broke the details of the payout most people assumed it was hush money.

The theory is this town is so dirty that the feds have to take their time dismantling the old boy networks. Firstly because there’s no way to squeeze that much of a conspiracy into a courtroom all at once, and secondly because there would be nobody left to run the government.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.