TAKE ACTION! - Stop the Marxist "Empty Homes Tax" - Again! Submit Testimony Now! (Read 382 times)

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For those unaware, the local communist party - check out their logo



has been trying to pass an ordinance to

1. Levy a 2% of market value penalty tax on ALL residential properties on Oahu annually (i.e. $800,000 property = $16,000), called the "Empty Homes Tax"

2. To evade that penalty, the homeowner must prove to the City & County each tax year that the home was occupied for at least 180 days

3. How do you prove this?  They don't know, but it will by definition be information that should never have to be submitted to any government authority.

This is a poster child for the worst of the worst that communists can inflict on a community:

Does not reduce housing costs (see Vancouver https://cdhowe.org/publication/ripple-effects-impact-empty-homes-tax-housing-market/ )

Is blatantly unconstitutional, and was already found so in Commifornia.

After overwhelming public opposition killed this monster last year (Bill 46), the communists are now seeking to have it put on the November ballot via the Honolulu Charter Commission, obviously in the hopes clueless voters will buy their fraud.

Below is a story in Hawaii Free Press with a direct link to submit pre-fab testimony for the next meeting on the 20th, where it appears they will try to ram it through.

You don't have to be a homeowner to oppose this, as it is motivated purely by malice and will do NOTHING to improve housing affordability here.

Please take your shot at the cancer here - doesn't get any easier.

https://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Main/ID/49430/Honolulu-Charter-Commission-considering-vague-empty-homes-tax-ballot-measure
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Looks like another version of the tax the rich scheme so they can get more free stuff.

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Submitted.

Looks like another version of the tax the rich scheme so they can get more free stuff.
Many Thanks zippz!

Yes it is that, but as you and I know, local homeowners are anything but rich.

It's designed to eat Auntie & Uncle alive, as demanded by their free shit army.

Thanks again for all you do to support our Constitution in these Islands! - Have a Great Weekend!
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My logical brain says that if you charge property owners a tax for empty dwellings, then you'll have fewer empty properties.  That's how tax policies are designed:  when you want less of something, you tax it, and when you want more of something you subsidize it.

The illogical part I see is an empty home costs less for government to service -- i.e. calls for police, trash pickup, sewage treatment, etc.

My question would be, how much does the government save having a house empty vs one that's occupied all year?  That's not just the service cost, but also having to have on staff enough employees to provide that service.

It seems to me, the tax collected is going to be reduced as people find occupants, and the cost of those occupied homes will reduce any revenue collected making this whole scheme another "Cash for Cars" disaster.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Hawaii is anti-capitalist for the common people. Only the political elite can have its luxuries. Armed security. Multiple homes.

https://www.ilind.net/2019/09/08/questions-being-asked-about-gov-iges-ties-to-tmt-security-contractor/

Real property records show the Ige’s property was purchased in July 1999 for $510,000. It was their primary residence until David Ige’s election as governor in 2014. It did not appear on Ige’s previous financial disclosures as a legislator because lawmaker’s residences are exempt from disclosure requirements (gee, isn't that convenient "ghost" homes). However, they have always been listed as owners on real property records.

The property is appraised for tax purposes in 2019 at $1,123,300. The five bedroom, three bath home is reported to be 3,080 square feet and occupies an 8,946 square foot lot.

In 2014, when David Ige was a candidate for governor, he reported they were receiving between $25,000 and $50,000 annually from rental income. That has increased, and is now reported at between $50,000 and $100,000.




How will the State "inspect" a home? A warrantless search?

Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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My logical brain says that if you charge property owners a tax for empty dwellings, then you'll have fewer empty properties.  That's how tax policies are designed:  when you want less of something, you tax it, and when you want more of something you subsidize it.

The illogical part I see is an empty home costs less for government to service -- i.e. calls for police, trash pickup, sewage treatment, etc.

My question would be, how much does the government save having a house empty vs one that's occupied all year?  That's not just the service cost, but also having to have on staff enough employees to provide that service.

It seems to me, the tax collected is going to be reduced as people find occupants, and the cost of those occupied homes will reduce any revenue collected making this whole scheme another "Cash for Cars" disaster.
Good comments.

By way of background, their argument is based on the lie that soaring housing costs are due to homeowners keeping the homes they buy and pay mortgages on - empty - thus reducing the supply (as if no one who spends hundreds of thousands to buy a house seeks to get a return on their investment, by either living in it or renting it out ...)

This is of course false.  The cause of soaring housing prices - not just here, but nationwide - is a decade of zero interest rates and printed money by the Fed under Obama, beginning in 2012.  Other central banks were induced to follow globally - thus we are in the "Everything Bubble."

Since then, the median home price nationally has increased approximately. 62%, and in Hawaii, well over 70%.  These are conservative estimates at this point.

Over that same time span, the proportion of empty homes in Hawaii - according to the State, has remained constant, at about 4% of the housing stock.

This idiotic argument that empty homes are the cause of soaring housing prices is easy to see as such, but is a perfect ploy to convince the uneducated to back the tax rape of homeowners.

It is truly heinous.

Enter Vancouver, where this was enacted several years ago.  Honest appraisals noted that yes, it did reduce the number of "empty homes," but it nevertheless had ZERO impact on housing affordability.  Housing prices continued to increase at the same rate as neighboring suburbs without the tax.  See the study from Canada I attached in the post for details.

Empty homes are not the cause of soaring housing prices, so penalizing them does not reduce housing costs.  This was known BEFORE the bills were introduced here.

Finally, in the first round in the City Council when we defeated this travesty, someone wryly noted: "Next, they will determine how many rooms you have, and apply a tax penalty to empty rooms.  Then, they will seek the demographics of your house, and impose DEI demands, etc.  If they can override your use of your private property at the occupancy level, they can and will do all the rest."
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There's many things causing the housing shortage, most of it the governments fault.  Limiting developable land/zoning, denying permits due to community opposition, slow permitting process, taxes, requirements for affordable housing and other features, etc.  Kapolei was supposed to be full of affordable high-rise condos to satisfy the housing demand, but it got changed to single family homes, not sure why.

I could support denying foreign investors and commercial renters from buying up housing.

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There's many things causing the housing shortage, most of it the governments fault.  Limiting developable land/zoning, denying permits due to community opposition, slow permitting process, taxes, requirements for affordable housing and other features, etc.  Kapolei was supposed to be full of affordable high-rise condos to satisfy the housing demand, but it got changed to single family homes, not sure why.

I could support denying foreign investors and commercial renters from buying up housing.
Yes, and while all this is going on, Hawaii taxes the bejesus out of rental housing:

Property Tax = $2000 - $10,000 depending on how inflated your neighborhood is (Res A tax on > $1 million is $4 per $1000 I believe)

GE Tax Quarterly = maybe 5% now?

Hawaii State Income Tax = about 10%

..... and then Federal Taxes

Federal Income Tax = %15 - 20%

So you're looking at close to 40% of rental income taxed  - right off the top - if you do it legally here.

Hawaii HEAVILY taxes housing rentals....

Time to go after mom & pop, yeah that should do the trick.
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Imagine they tie this into Hawaiian reparations. Rename DHHL to Dept of Hawaiian Homelands and Confiscation. If you don't use your home let us have it then!
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THANK YOU TO ALL WHO SPOKE UP TO KILL THIS EVIL THING

The citizens crush another Communist attempt to destroy our state.

When we fight WE WIN!

.. so ALWAYS fight!

https://www.civilbeat.org/2026/07/empty-homes-tax-oahu-voters-blocked-from-weighing-in/
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The person that pushed for this bill, Ellen Godbey Carson, is a retired attorney that is part of the progressive Church of the Crossroads in Manoa and coordinates the gun control advocacy.

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The person that pushed for this bill, Ellen Godbey Carson, is a retired attorney that is part of the progressive Church of the Crossroads in Manoa and coordinates the gun control advocacy.
Yep.

It's all one big witches coven seeking to destroy - all day, every day.

If it seeks to strangle the people economically, it's them.

If it demands right of ownership of the people's children to indoctrinate them in its sickness, while threatening parents, it's them.

If it seeks to void one constitutional protection after another, most especially the right to keep and bear arms against their tyranny, its them.

If it seeks to destroy the family, it's them.

If it infiltrates churches to subvert true religion to paganism, or worse, it's them.

It's all the same enemy, and they have been given FAR too much power here.

The people have got to take it back.
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It's all one big witches coven seeking to destroy - all day, every day.

I've noticed the liberal side is a lot closer nit community where a lot of groups and causes are tied in together, and many of the leaders are involved with many of them.  Like abortion, racism, LGBT, gun control, socialism, Palestinians, etc.  Basically a cult.  There's some of that on the conservative side, but nowhere as broad or close.

What that does is force people and politicians to be all in or cast out.They can be for most progressive causes, but if they are against one thing they are called out and shamed so they comply.  Then things get more progressive and more things get thrown in that they are forced to accept, like going for LGBT marriage to transing the kids.