Cop fires 18 rounds on man beating his father to death (Read 88 times)

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I found this on ar15.com, a police officer emptying 18 rounds on a son beating his father to death with a baseball bat.  Son has a violent criminal record and may have a mental disorder.  But he just absorbed those rounds without flinching.  A few things to add to my analysis below.  This is a good reason why we may need more than 10 rounds in a magazine.  Also need to train guaranteeing hits at distance and being able to adjust your firing rate based on the difficulty of target.  I'm sure the house in the back took a bunch of rounds.  I also noticed the cops ability to communicate, analyze the situation, and adjust his firing while remaining in control.

https://x.com/Thefactsdude/status/2079676485040763112/video/1

I measured the shooting distance from first shots at 12y to last shots at 4y.
First set of 5 shots on the move were fired in 1.25s at 10 to 12y.
Next set of 5 were shooting on the move to 4y at a pace of 2 shots per second.
Remaining 8 shots were stationary at 4y at a pace of 3.5 shots per second.
Appeared the cop was a skilled shooter looking at his grip and his steady walking pace.  He fired his first 5 shots way to fast, but adjusted afterwards.  I'm guessing he got at least 2/3rds of his shots on target.

I can see why he didn't go for the headshot as the guys head was moving around a lot and blocked by his arm sometimes.  A person can still function for up to 10 seconds after a direct hit to the heart, which is probably the case here.
« Last Edit: Today at 02:35:50 PM by zippz »

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Re: Cop fires 18 rounds on man beating his father to death
« Reply #1 on: Today at 03:30:54 PM »
Dis is Hawaii. No need guns with extendo clips.If you liek gun 10 rounds good enuff.
or bettah yet go get a beeeg dog. Get used to it. Fall in love with it. Take it home. Look at it. Stare at it. Learn to like it.
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Re: Cop fires 18 rounds on man beating his father to death
« Reply #2 on: Today at 06:40:09 PM »
One of the first books I read (long ago) on ballistics (Understanding Firearm Ballistics, Robert A. Rinker 1995) stressed this type of phenomenon, and cited several examples.

In one, a drug crazed criminal holds up a busy restaurant in Indiana with a pistol, demanding all the cash in the register.  The owner is armed with a short-barrel .357 Mag revolver, 125 grain JHP.  He begins shooting the criminal, as he won't drop the weapon and is threatening everyone around him.  The restaurant owner has to reload TWICE, with most of the hits in the criminal's chest area, before he goes down.  So that is also 18 hits,  but not 9mm - .357 Mag!

The April 11 1986 Miami firefight between FBI agents and well armed bank robbers was also discussed - which ultimately led to the FBI's trial of the Glock 20 in 10mm Auto.  As we all should know by now, humans can sustain multiple hits that will kill them - eventually - and still keep going long enough to kill you anyway.

So this gets into the issues of depth of penetration (get to the central nervous system), size of hole (rapidity of blood loss), etc.

Those calibers (big bore) and high velocity loads with heavy bullets, that can do this kind of damage more immediately - pose the alternate risk of over penetration and risk to others, which is a big concern too.

I believe we pretty much all think about these things in our choice of carry gun.

I just added a S&W Performance Center 629 .44 Mag 2" barrel to my carry rotation, so, I guess I was always in the big bore camp.

Thanks for posting - it's an excellent reminder of the tradeoffs we face out there.

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Re: Cop fires 18 rounds on man beating his father to death
« Reply #3 on: Today at 07:11:55 PM »
Would targeting the liver/kidney/groin area result in the same thing?  I honestly don't know, I was taught center of mass instinctively.
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