weekend stabbings (Read 708 times)

ren

Deeds Not Words

hvybarrels

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2026, 09:03:58 PM »
Lucky we live Hawaii

If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

rpoL98

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2026, 07:12:07 AM »
ah, yes, that good ol' Spirit of Aloha ...

QUIETShooter

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2026, 09:10:58 AM »
ah, yes, that good ol' Spirit of Aloha ...


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Probably a more accurate depiction of the "Spirit of Aloha".
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Q

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2026, 06:55:02 PM »
ah, yes, that good ol' Spirit of Aloha ...



Why are you putting up pictures of Hawaiians when the perp from the first story was Hispanic and no one knows who committed the second stabbing

rpoL98

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2026, 07:34:55 PM »
Why are you putting up pictures of Hawaiians when the perp from the first story was Hispanic and no one knows who committed the second stabbing
@Q

sorry, it's more intended to be a reflection of life in Hawaii and our 2A infringements, and not a reflection of Hawaiians in general.  Yes, we are a multi-cultural melting pot, vibrant diversity.  No offense intended to the Hawaiian race, but a lot of offense intended at our government and legislature, and the Hawaii SC.

Q

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2026, 07:52:47 PM »
@Q

sorry, it's more intended to be a reflection of life in Hawaii and our 2A infringements, and not a reflection of Hawaiians in general.  Yes, we are a multi-cultural melting pot, vibrant diversity.  No offense intended to the Hawaiian race, but a lot of offense intended at our government and legislature, and the Hawaii SC.

What does the modern government have to do with posting executions documented during the early years Hawaiian kingdom. Why not post photos of Asians doing stuff like this, given they have been the ethic majority in Hawaii since at least 1900, have controlled the majority of the government since 1954 and are the primary reason the Hawaii government is the way it is.

zippz

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2026, 08:34:23 PM »
What does the modern government have to do with posting executions documented during the early years Hawaiian kingdom. Why not post photos of Asians doing stuff like this, given they have been the ethic majority in Hawaii since at least 1900, have controlled the majority of the government since 1954 and are the primary reason the Hawaii government is the way it is.

You might not be aware of the 2024 Hawaii Supreme Court's "Spirit of Aloha" ruling that says people don't have a 2A right to defend themselves with weapons because Hawaii has a tradition of peace and people not possessing weapons.

I see the picture represents the brutality of Hawaii's ancient kingdom that doesn't match the "Spirit of Aloha" conclusion, and that the people should have arms to protect themselves in the ancient past and current day.

https://fedsoc.org/scdw/hawaii-supreme-court-rejects-bruen-as-inconsistent-with-aloha-spirit

zippz

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2026, 09:15:47 PM »
Going a bit off topic on the Spirit of Aloha, something to think about...  assuming the 2A is about militia rights

If the Federal Constitution has a 2A right, it protects the State militias to fight Federal tyranny

If the State Constitution has a 2A right, it protects the County militias to fight State tyranny?  Since there were no county militias when the State/Territorial Constitution was created with the right to keep and bear arms in 1950, what was the purpose of adding it?  If it was to arm the National Guard, a state entity, why does the State have to give itself rights to arm itself?  There must be convention notes on the purpose of the State 2A.

Interesting, doing an AI search on the historical notes,  the right was originally intended to be an individual right in 1950, then changed to a collective militia right in 1968.
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Q

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2026, 03:24:40 AM »
You might not be aware of the 2024 Hawaii Supreme Court's "Spirit of Aloha" ruling that says people don't have a 2A right to defend themselves with weapons because Hawaii has a tradition of peace and people not possessing weapons.

I see the picture represents the brutality of Hawaii's ancient kingdom that doesn't match the "Spirit of Aloha" conclusion, and that the people should have arms to protect themselves in the ancient past and current day.

https://fedsoc.org/scdw/hawaii-supreme-court-rejects-bruen-as-inconsistent-with-aloha-spirit

Yes because a white judge not from Hawai'i and appointed by Ige wouldn't possibly misuse Hawaiian culture and history to justify infringing on people's 2nd amendment rights.

You might not be aware of the fact that the spirit of aloha law was passed into law in 1986 and is a cherry picked version of Hawaiian principles and values.

You might also not be aware that being armed was a part of the traditional Hawaiian identity (or at least until we became westernized), in part due to it was common for most Hawaiian men to be armed with at least a pāhoa and/or 'ihe. Weapon control only really became a legal reality under Kauikeaouli and later expanded upon by Alexander Liholiho and especially the territorial government.

If you actually knew about Hawaiian history, you would know that this painting, "Maniere de Punir de Nort un Coupable Aux Iles Sandwich" By Jacques Arago, is actually depicting capital punishment against a criminal, not some innocent person subjugated by a tyrannical government. As a matter of fact, Kānāwai Mamalahoe was still very much enforced in 1822 and the individual being executed was most likely being executed for murder or significant property crimes that compromised the safety or well-being of the populace.

So again, if people want to ridicule the state of self defense in Hawai'i, ridicule the correct demographic that made Hawai'i like this and still controls most of the government.

zippz

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2026, 06:58:09 PM »
Yes because a white judge not from Hawai'i and appointed by Ige wouldn't possibly misuse Hawaiian culture and history to justify infringing on people's 2nd amendment rights.

You might not be aware of the fact that the spirit of aloha law was passed into law in 1986 and is a cherry picked version of Hawaiian principles and values.

You might also not be aware that being armed was a part of the traditional Hawaiian identity (or at least until we became westernized), in part due to it was common for most Hawaiian men to be armed with at least a pāhoa and/or 'ihe. Weapon control only really became a legal reality under Kauikeaouli and later expanded upon by Alexander Liholiho and especially the territorial government.

If you actually knew about Hawaiian history, you would know that this painting, "Maniere de Punir de Nort un Coupable Aux Iles Sandwich" By Jacques Arago, is actually depicting capital punishment against a criminal, not some innocent person subjugated by a tyrannical government. As a matter of fact, Kānāwai Mamalahoe was still very much enforced in 1822 and the individual being executed was most likely being executed for murder or significant property crimes that compromised the safety or well-being of the populace.

So again, if people want to ridicule the state of self defense in Hawai'i, ridicule the correct demographic that made Hawai'i like this and still controls most of the government.

Perhaps

oldfart

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2026, 07:08:33 PM »

What, Me Worry?

ren

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2026, 07:12:59 PM »
Deeds Not Words

hvybarrels

Re: weekend stabbings
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2026, 10:24:47 PM »
Yes because a white judge not from Hawai'i and appointed by Ige wouldn't possibly misuse Hawaiian culture and history to justify infringing on people's 2nd amendment rights.

You might not be aware of the fact that the spirit of aloha law was passed into law in 1986 and is a cherry picked version of Hawaiian principles and values.

You might also not be aware that being armed was a part of the traditional Hawaiian identity (or at least until we became westernized), in part due to it was common for most Hawaiian men to be armed with at least a pāhoa and/or 'ihe. Weapon control only really became a legal reality under Kauikeaouli and later expanded upon by Alexander Liholiho and especially the territorial government.

If you actually knew about Hawaiian history, you would know that this painting, "Maniere de Punir de Nort un Coupable Aux Iles Sandwich" By Jacques Arago, is actually depicting capital punishment against a criminal, not some innocent person subjugated by a tyrannical government. As a matter of fact, Kānāwai Mamalahoe was still very much enforced in 1822 and the individual being executed was most likely being executed for murder or significant property crimes that compromised the safety or well-being of the populace.

So again, if people want to ridicule the state of self defense in Hawai'i, ridicule the correct demographic that made Hawai'i like this and still controls most of the government.

It sounds like Kam IV was actually a decent statesman and tried to pull things back together after the mismanagement of his predecessors, but the whole-national unity thing was broken enough that could no longer trust his subjects with weapons.

An armed populace who supports their government is the best deterrent against invasion, but it also means hard limits on the ability to centralize control.
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.