2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program (Read 69763 times)

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Hoplite

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2013, 07:48:46 PM »
It's coming up for a hearing again this week at the ways and means commitee.

Go to http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=69&year=2013 to submit your testamony.

Now they want $200,000 and they aren't sugesting any regulation on how the police can spend it.  Also this bill wants to change the registration law to make it harder to legally register a firearm by creating more protocols for approval.

The hearing right now is scheduled for 2-20-13 at 9:45 AM.

Heavies

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2013, 09:29:28 PM »
It's coming up for a hearing again this week at the ways and means commitee.

Go to http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=69&year=2013 to submit your testamony.

Now they want $200,000 and they aren't sugesting any regulation on how the police can spend it.  Also this bill wants to change the registration law to make it harder to legally register a firearm by creating more protocols for approval.

The hearing right now is scheduled for 2-20-13 at 9:45 AM.

Sent a revised testimony opposing the waste of tax dollars and infringement of the rights of new citizens relocating to the state.  I find it very disturbing that even with overwhelming opposition to these bills, a majority pass the vote.    I also sent the testimony to each and every one of them to ensure that any "errors" in processing my testimony does not prevent the committee from receiving my views.

macsak

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2013, 09:39:40 PM »
submitted
opposed

Sent a revised testimony opposing the waste of tax dollars and infringement of the rights of new citizens relocating to the state.  I find it very disturbing that even with overwhelming opposition to these bills, a majority pass the vote.    I also sent the testimony to each and every one of them to ensure that any "errors" in processing my testimony does not prevent the committee from receiving my views.

clshade

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2013, 12:08:57 AM »
Fucking idiots. Adding that bullshit as the bill passes through the various hearings even though it completely changes the focus of the bill. Is it any wonder that people don't trust the government?

Submitted opposition.

Democracy, my ass. Who asked for this shit?

macsak

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2013, 05:26:31 AM »
wow
just read the amendments from the last committee meeting
this is what's gonna go down, people
if any bill passes through any phase, the antis are gonna keep on adding things on at each step, including at crossover/conference committee (where no public comment is allowed)
i hate to say it, but we are screwed

Fucking idiots. Adding that bullshit as the bill passes through the various hearings even though it completely changes the focus of the bill. Is it any wonder that people don't trust the government?

Submitted opposition.

Democracy, my ass. Who asked for this shit?

hulalady

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program UPDATE
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2013, 06:39:18 PM »
From the NRA Hawaii:
Senate Bill 69 started off as a Gun "Buyback” bill, but has evolved into a “Gun Safety and Education” bill, and by further amendments has morphed into a gun owner harassment/mental interrogation bill.   SB 69 will be heard tomorrow, February 20, by the Senate Ways and Means Committee (WAM) at 9:45 AM.  This bill, in its current state,  will require fingerprinting and NICS checks in addition to the already existing registration requirement on ALL firearms brought into the state, and will allocate $200,000 to police departments to be used at their discretion for safety and training, gun "buybacks" or extensive background checks for mental health.  Please contact members of the Senate WAM Committee TODAY and respectfully express your opposition to SB 69.

People who bring firearms into Hawaii from another state, even on a temporary basis, are already required to register their firearms within 72 hours.  This bill now adds a fingerprinting AND a background check requirement on the owner in addition to the already burdensome registration requirement on such legally possessed firearms.  These requirements are so onerous that if one acquired an antique firearm or an unusable or unserviceable firearm  they would still have to undergo the entire background check, registration and fingerprinting process.   Hunters and shooters beware, when traveling to Hawaii make sure to allocate at least one or two days to stand in line to register your firearm and undergo fingerprinting and a NICS check in addition to potential “extensive background checks for mental health concerns for certain individuals wishing to register guns,” whatever that means, for a  firearm you already legally possess.

SB 69 leaves several things open to question or interpretation.  For instance, it fails to define what constitutes an “extensive background check” or what constitutes a “mental health concern.”  Without proper definitions, these requirements remain open for interpretation by the local authorities.  Further, could these “extensive background checks” turn a five-day hunting or shooting trip to the islands into ten days of psychoanalysis by the local police sergeant?    In summary, what can be known for sure is that this bill presents no viable solutions that would make improvements to Hawaii, but instead attacks law-abiding citizens who are choosing to exercise the right to own a firearm.

It is very important that you contact members of the Senate WAM Committee IMMEDIATELY and respectfully express your opposition to SB 69.  Contact information for Committee members is provided below.

 

Senate Ways and Means Committee:

David Y. Ige (D-16), Chairman

808-586-6230

sendige@capitol.hawaii.gov

 

Michelle Kindani (D-18), Vice Chairman

808-586-7100

senkidani@capitol.hawaii.gov


Suzanne Chun Oakland (D-13)

808-586-6130

senchunoakland@capitol.hawaii.gov


Donovan Dela Cruz (D-22)

808-586-6090

sendelacruz@capitol.hawaii.gov


J. Kalani English (D-7)

808-587-7225

senenglish@capitol.hawaii.gov


Senator Will Espero (D-19)

(808) 586-6360

senespero@capitol.hawaii.gov

 

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clshade

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2013, 02:55:37 PM »
Skimmed the testimony.

Out of 123 pages only 4 "support" testimonies. None have any reason attached except 1 that stated this will make Hawaii safer from gun violence.

HPD expressed concern over having shoulder the liability of training civilians when there are organizations that already do such trainings - though testimony supported the rest of the bill overall.

I submitted my testimony again, by the way. I've wondered if these kinds of reschedules also reset the testimony count in order to make it appear as if the bill has more support, or less opposition, than it does.

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bass monkey

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2013, 05:57:37 PM »
sweet it got deferred, i can make it down. 

I dont like how after it passes 1 hearing they can amend it and add more things into it.  I wonder who is in the WAM committee.

TeamMidori

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2013, 06:07:47 PM »
Senate Ways and Means Committee:

David Y. Ige (D-16), Chairman

808-586-6230

sendige@capitol.hawaii.gov

 

Michelle Kindani (D-18), Vice Chairman

808-586-7100

senkidani@capitol.hawaii.gov


Suzanne Chun Oakland (D-13)

808-586-6130

senchunoakland@capitol.hawaii.gov


Donovan Dela Cruz (D-22)

808-586-6090

sendelacruz@capitol.hawaii.gov


J. Kalani English (D-7)

808-587-7225

senenglish@capitol.hawaii.gov


Senator Will Espero (D-19)

(808) 586-6360

senespero@capitol.hawaii.gov

hnl.flyboy

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2013, 03:31:29 PM »
sweet it got deferred, i can make it down. 

I dont like how after it passes 1 hearing they can amend it and add more things into it.  I wonder who is in the WAM committee.

This is why I created the Excel spreadsheet ;)
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bass monkey

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2013, 06:47:19 PM »
This is why I created the Excel spreadsheet ;)


hahahahha thanks.  you going down tomorrow?

hnl.flyboy

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2013, 07:09:26 PM »

hahahahha thanks.  you going down tomorrow?

Don't think so  :-\
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Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2013, 06:08:59 PM »
Only Laura Theilen replied with a response.... All the others haven't reasoned, I'm not voting for them next term.... Get them out of office...

clshade

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2013, 03:44:19 PM »
Assholes. While I'd say this makes a mockery of the democratic process... it appears this IS the democratic process. Overwhelming public testimony against and "your" committee on public safety passes it anyway.

Yeah, fuck you very much. Representatives, my ass.

On the flip side of it, looks like someone just needs a way to get $200,000 into the police department. They'll throw a gun safety party for a couple grand and pocket the rest.

edit: Sorry for the language. :/  If you can't tell already this stuff really irritates me.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2013, 04:05:55 PM by clshade »

Bunker

Re: 2013 SB69: Gun buy-back program
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2013, 04:28:24 PM »
Assholes. While I'd say this makes a mockery of the democratic process... it appears this IS the democratic process. Overwhelming public testimony against and "your" committee on public safety passes it anyway.

Yeah, fuck you very much. Representatives, my ass.

On the flip side of it, looks like someone just needs a way to get $200,000 into the police department. They'll throw a gun safety party for a couple grand and pocket the rest.

edit: Sorry for the language. :/  If you can't tell already this stuff really irritates me.
It is rather disenchanting and the only real way to potentially do anything is vote them out of office. They don't listen because they believe gun owners don't make a difference at the ballot box. Every gun owner in Hawaii should be a registered voter and exercising that right. In many of these district races, there is not a lot of total votes and some are very close. Gun owners could potentially sway some of these small elections if they all actually voted. I would suspect the Governor is also encouraging some of these legislators to vote along party lines and in line with the President's agenda. Our Governor is so far up Obama's ass to begin with.