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KHON2 News: Biden: Limit on magazine rounds a bigger priority

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden says he's more concerned about limiting the number of rounds in a gun magazine than about banning assault weapons that account for a small percentage of gun deaths.

The vice president participated in an online chat Thursday on Google Plus.

He says that if the shooter at the elementary school in Newtown, Conn., had had fewer rounds and had to change clips more often, he might have been slowed enough to save at least one child's life.

Biden says he supports a ban on assault weapons, though he acknowledges they don't account for a large portion of gun deaths in America. He says a ban would solve part of the gun violence problem, particularly for police who can be outgunned by criminals with assault weapons.

http://www.khon2.com/news/national/story/Biden-Limit-on-magazine-rounds-a-bigger-priority/8vIuk5qQT0W6BOzp23ktRQ.cspx?rss=2703

http://www.fox19.com/story/20399062/the-very-politically-incorrect-truth-about-the-second-amendment?fb_action_ids=10151461802050039&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

great video,  someone with a brain finally explains the 2nd amendment.  Its too bad we don't have people in congress that actually know the constitution. 

We are gassing up - standby.

http://www.hawaiidefensefoundation.org/on-featured/hawaii-moves-ban-assault-weapons/

Heard back from Rep Bert Kobayashi.    Here's his take:

--snip--

Thanks for your email about SB219, which I have just glanced at; a multi-page bill, not easy digested quickly.
 
I'm not on Judiciary committee which will approve or not approve this bill, so likely will not see this bill until it comes to the floor, meaning the full House.  By that time, the votes are relatively clearly set; i.e., most committee chairs will not bring a bill to the floor without votes to pass.  The House Judiciary chair did take an informal poll on a gun control bill several weeks ago but I do not know the results of the poll.
 
Likely, there will be some sort of gun control bill passed, given public input and sentiment to date.
 
There is likely to be a grandfather clause in the bill, perhaps in addition to section 3 of the bill, which it talks about "mature" rights....but this was from my quick look.
 
/bert kobayashi

Hahahaahaha. Love his response.  Yeah it might get passed, but hey at least you gun nuts will have a grandfather clause and be able to keep your guns, so dont worry about it.
Like how i posted in the other thread, everyone talks about a grandfathering clause like its the savior or something.  We still get a ban. Sooner or later they(anti-guys) will realize thats a way to divide the people. Ban stuff, but make sure theres a grandfather clause and the gun guys will be happy and dont put a end date on the ban. We still lose.  We shouldnt have to settle for a grandfathering clause, or have them thinking thats a good compromise, cause although its the lesser of the two evils its still evil.  IMHO, people should stop thinking and talking about a grandfathering clause.  It should be all or nothing, but i dont think we have enough support.  Nevermind, In that case make sure theres a grandfathering clause!!

Hahahaahaha. Love his response.  Yeah it might get passed, but hey at least you gun nuts will have a grandfather clause and be able to keep your guns, so dont worry about it.
Like how i posted in the other thread, everyone talks about a grandfathering clause like its the savior or something.  We still get a ban. Sooner or later they(anti-guys) will realize thats a way to divide the people. Ban stuff, but make sure theres a grandfather clause and the gun guys will be happy and dont put a end date on the ban. We still lose.  We shouldnt have to settle for a grandfathering clause, or have them thinking thats a good compromise, cause although its the lesser of the two evils its still evil.  IMHO, people should stop thinking and talking about a grandfathering clause.  It should be all or nothing, but i dont think we have enough support.  Nevermind, In that case make sure theres a grandfathering clause!!

I agree with everything you said. I'm with you.  Go big or go home.   

this helps our cause, but we need to keep up the pressure.   

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/24/why-filibuster-reform-didnt-happen/

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell: 202-224-2541

And after you have called Mitch McConnell, please call both of your U.S. Senators and demand they vote against Harry Reid's attempt to destroy the Senate filibuster.

Sen. Mazie Hirono: (202) 225-4906

Sen. Brian Schatz: (202) 224-3121

this proves even the President has to follow the law

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1

this proves even the President has to follow the law

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Obama-Recess-Appointments/2013/01/25/id/472980/?s=al&promo_code=1231C-1

I think what it proves is Obama does what he wants and has no problem with letting the courts decide the outcome, even if/when he knows it may be unconstitutional. To me, that is scary and that is his MO. Personally, I'm not convinced this means he has to follow the laws.

I think what it proves is Obama does what he wants and has no problem with letting the courts decide the outcome, even if/when he knows it may be unconstitutional. To me, that is scary and that is his MO. Personally, I'm not convinced this means he has to follow the laws.

you're right,  I should of said he's not above the law.   what he says is not law just because he says so.  I agree with you.  He does whatever he wants and lets other sort out the mess.

I think what it proves is Obama does what he wants and has no problem with letting the courts decide the outcome, even if/when he knows it may be unconstitutional. To me, that is scary and that is his MO. Personally, I'm not convinced this means he has to follow the laws.

You're right, Bunker.  This simply underscores the point that Obamao will do whatever the hell he wants, and if he gets shut down by the courts, he'll find another way.  He knew damn well those recess appointments were illegal, but he went ahead and did it anyway.  You never know, maybe he'll get lucky again and the Supreme Court will rule that the purpose of the courts is not to protect Americans from the consequences of their elections.  (Except that's exactly what they're supposed to do.)  I remember when America was awesome, this slow circling the drain stuff sucks.

All need to e-mail/call their applicable representatives and state senators. I already e-mailed mine. My DEMOCRAT rep. agrees that Hawaii already has among the strictest gun laws in the nation and that he would need to be persuaded to vote for this SB 219 AW Ban or any other gun control. People need to vote and voice their concerns to the politicians, some of them actually may listen.

For those who wanted to see the exact message:


"Thank you for your message conveying your opposition to SB 219, which proposes banning assault-style weapons.  My feeling is that Hawaii's firearms laws are already among the most restrictive in the nation and I would have to be persuaded of the need to impose any more restrictions on gun owners.
 
Mahalo for sharing your thoughts and please don't hesitate to do so in the future.  Would you like to be added to my email list to receive community updates and legislative news?
 
- Gregg
 
Representative Gregg Takayama
State Capitol Room 324
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813"

SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were
begun before its effective date.

Seems like THIS is a grandfather clause.

SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were
begun before its effective date.

Seems like THIS is a grandfather clause.

Does having a grandfather clause make you feel better about a possible ban?

Does having a grandfather clause make you feel better about a possible ban?

No.   It's all or nothing.   We need to stand together on this.  A million muskateers

All for one and one for all

That is not a grandfather clause. To the best of my understanding it means that the new law doesn't nullify contracts, litigation, etc. that began before the law was passed. I've seen the exact same language in a number of other recent bills. Must be from a template.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr226

new bill that give tax credits for turning in firearms

That is not a grandfather clause. To the best of my understanding it means that the new law doesn't nullify contracts, litigation, etc. that began before the law was passed. I've seen the exact same language in a number of other recent bills. Must be from a template.

someone here mentioned it was jsut a hasty cut and paste job from other suggested bills.

My submitted letter to the committee:




Aloha,

I would like to register my opposition to this bill.  Even though it has not come up for a formal hearing yet, it should even be heard.  Should this bill pass it will instantly criminalize hundreds, perhaps even thousands of law abiding citizens in the state.

Those of us gun owners who enjoy shooting modern firearms every weekend with our friends and families would instantly become felons.  We are the kinds of people that you run into crossing Punchbowl street, who pay their fair share of taxes, vote, and serve their community.  We watch out for our kupuna  - help them with their grocery shopping and errands and honk our horn to let the other guy know it's ok to merge into our lane...does this sound like the behavior of a felon?  Does this sound like the kind of person who belongs in jail with thieves, robbers, and rapists?  This is what will happen if this bill passes.

If the committee wants to do good for the community, there are other ways.  Fight for funding for our police officers - why should the HPD have to rely on donations to get a bullet resistant vests for their K-9's?  I'm positive we could find $10,000 somewhere in the budget to pay for those.  I also urge the committee to work closely with the Attorney General to strengthen our existing laws  wherever possible.  Consider restoring funding to mental health service programs that have been cut or reduced.  No family that struggles with mental illness should have to "go it alone".

I urge you not to forward this bill to the senate, but instead offer three bills that would, 1) increase funding to HPD for needed equipment - an Urgent Needs Request (UNR), 2) strengthen existing laws that are already in place, 3) restore funding to mental health programs across the state.

I hope that you will take some of what I said to heart and find it within yourselves to not forward this bill.


Mahalo for your time,

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