Kokohead's hours slashed again! (Read 20382 times)

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Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« on: September 28, 2010, 12:54:55 PM »
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Aloha all,
Due to budget constraints, please be advised of the reduced hours of operation

Mon - Tue          Still Closed
Wed - Fri          12 noon - 3pm    was 12 noon to 4pm (non furlough Fridays)
Furlough Fridays   CLOSED
Sat - Sun          9am - 3pm   was  8am - 4pm
Holidays           CLOSED

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To me, it looks like the city is slowly killing Kokohead shooting complex!  The range has been busier than ever, and now they cut hours?  The hours should be extended to 8 hours a day, Wed.-Sun.!  When I shoot there on Sundays, I leave my house at 5:30 in the morning get there at 6:30 and wait till 8, just to get a bench. The last time I went, I got there late, 7:30 one Sunday, and had to wait till about 10am to shoot!
Maybe we should all start writing our legislators and inform them that cutting the hours of the only public shooting venue in the state is a very bad idea.  >:(

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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 01:00:15 PM »
Damn this is terrible, especially the cutting of the weekend hours.  I go shooting during the weekday specifically because the benches are always filled on weekends. 
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 01:26:42 PM »
That really sucks.

The weekday hours are killer too. If you only get out every couple months and can only go on weekdays, you could spend all four hours there. Now only three :(
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 01:38:18 PM »
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Damn this is terrible, especially the cutting of the weekend hours.  I go shooting during the weekday specifically because the benches are always filled on weekends.

It does. I too would love to go on the weekdays, but the hours (noon to 3) makes it impossible for me to shoot, go all the way home, drop off the guns, and go to work at night! 

With the amount of people shooting at Kokohead, how the heck can the funding of this public service be so drastically cut?
It's not like the have real good budget.  Look at the condition of all the shooting bays! If it wasnt for the donations and volunteerism to upkeep the areas, just think of how bad it would be!

2a,
Would it be possible to setup some sort of online petition that shooters could sign, compile, and be sent to these anti politicians?

HiCarry

Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 01:52:35 PM »
With the elections coming up it would be a great time to write your legislators....and ask that they comment on the wisdom of shutting down the only public shooting venue in light of the huge increase in gun sales. After all, isn't it better to make sure all those new gun owners have a means to practice in an effort to remain both proficient and safe? After all, if there is reduced opportunity to shoot, couldn't that possibly adversely affect that goal of keeping gun owners, and the public, safe?

Try to get their responses in writing. That way you can use it against them if they are just blowing hot air to get your vote....oh, and ask them how many golf courses are having their hours of operations reduced......

2A - We had a real chance to improve the range under Caldwell, who was pushing for renovations and community partnerships with gun groups. But under Carlisle those hopes to improve the range are pretty much dead......

Tom_G

Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 02:31:08 PM »
Um, have you guys not noticed the state budget cuts everywhere?  Remember furlough Fridays?  Remember UH discontinuing 2 entire programs and laying off all those professors?  Remember reduced manpower at the firearms registration unit in HPD?  Necessary services have been cut drastically statewide.  Kokohead hardly qualifies as necessary.  It's not like the shooting community is being singled out here.  When you decide to vent to your representatives, keep that in mind. 

And, honestly, what do you propose they do?  Money has to come from somewhere.  Should we raid the hurricane fund or take retirement funds from state workers?  Offering a solution might help. 

How about instituting a usage fee?  I'd be happy to pay $5 for a visit if it meant restored hours and better-maintained facilities. 
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 02:55:13 PM »
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How   about instituting a usage fee?  I'd be happy to pay $5 for a visit if it   meant restored hours and better-maintained facilities. 
I totally agree.  Better to do it this way than losing it all at once.  However, the money they'll collect should only strictly be use on the range and not for other facilities.  Sad, this is what happens when the govt. keep on spending and politicians think that the problem is taxation.  Govt. is broke they just don't want to admit it.
                           
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 03:19:23 PM »
How about instituting a usage fee?  I'd be happy to pay $5 for a visit if it meant restored hours and better-maintained facilities. 

I'd support this as well, assuming the fees are used solely for the gun range and not distributed to other projects. 
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2010, 04:47:05 PM »
A usage fee would be great.  But...  we all know that the monies will not be used strictly for the complex.  Besides we allready pay a usage fee(taxes). Same as the usage fees we pay for public parks and beaches.

I would be all for a nominal fee, provided that somehow the monies would be used for upkeep, renovation, and RSO pay. 

Some places on the mainland, pubic shooting ranges are not even manned.  In a way it is a good thing, but in a way, it is good to have a good RSO watching everyones back. I know some folks are just plain dangerous.

Furlogh fridays were all around, but now there is an additional 5 hour cut per week of range service.  That is why I felt that this is kind of unfair to the shooting public.

Hicarry,
You were right about Caldwell and Carlisle. My wishful thinking was not to be during the election.  Guess Hawaii will still stay in the dark ages of plantation mentality.  I was kind of hoping that enough people were fed up with the status quo, I was wrong.

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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2010, 04:48:08 PM »
I'd be happy to support such a fee, as long as it didn't go into the general fund. That being said, I realize that there have been cuts everywhere but would posit that the range is indeed a "necessary" government expenditure. Especially when the government effectively curtails the exercise of a civil right in doing so. The government requires range time in order to get the necessary affidavit to purchase a handgun and then starts cutting the time the range is available for those activities. It is similar to the Chicago case where after McDonald the "new" requirements for owning a gun in the city included requiring range time for the permit but prohibitting a range in the city limits. It's not a poll tax, and I hate to throw out so quickly the "slippery slope argument" but it doesn't take much to see such an eventuality.

As for offering solutions, how about we get rid of one (or more) or the RSOs? The savings realized would go toward keeping the range open longer. I don't see how that would be too difficult since in reality there are only two ranges that use RSOs. The rest of the venues are run by private organizations. In addition, I've heard that a portion of State funds are mandated to be spent on art. That, IMHO, should be discontinued. Art is not necessary, at least in terms of the government buying it with my tax dollars.

And, for that part, neither is golf. So what say we shut down and sell all those muni courses so we can reallocate those funds.....

I don't know how many RSOs there are, but if it's more than 3, it's too many.

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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2010, 04:55:33 PM »
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In addition, I've heard that a portion of State funds are mandated to be spent on art. That, IMHO, should be discontinued. Art is not necessary, at least in terms of the government buying it with my tax dollars.
And, for that part, neither is golf. So what say we shut down and sell all those muni courses so we can reallocate those funds.....

+1 one on that!

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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2010, 05:01:17 PM »
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2010, 08:05:10 PM »
This range needs to go private already. Open it seven days a week, 10 hours a day, sell food, ammo, supplies, etc.

Have they tried this? Or has anyone made an offer?

 

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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2010, 08:41:45 PM »
Man....this is discouraging!  If they are closed so early will this effect the clubs that shoot at night in Kokohead?

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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 05:19:57 PM »
I just checked with my "friend" in the Mayor's Complaint Office. 
 
So far, No One has Complained about the shorter hours at KokoHead.
 
He "suggested" that we flood the Complaints office with E mails that Require an answer.
 
Send to:  complaints@honolulu.gov
 
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2010, 06:13:39 PM »
Man....this is discouraging!  If they are closed so early will this effect the clubs that shoot at night in Kokohead?

Are you referencing the USPSA clubs? As far as I can tell, they won't be affected by this change.

I just checked with my "friend" in the Mayor's Complaint Office. 
 
So far, No One has Complained about the shorter hours at KokoHead.
 
He "suggested" that we flood the Complaints office with E mails that Require an answer.
 
Send to:  complaints@honolulu.gov
 
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.   
 
Remember, some one has to personally answer All the complaints.  Ask for the answer to be Emailed back to you instead of phone.

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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2010, 08:01:48 PM »
Man it's so easy to get around all these rules at koko head, it really only takes a insurance policy, a 501.3c and a single trained instructor.  Then you can have your own club! =p.  If club's can shoot outside of normal hours that would be very interesting fix!
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Re: Kokohead's hours slashed again!
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2010, 09:04:12 PM »
I just checked with my "friend" in the Mayor's Complaint Office. 
 
So far, No One has Complained about the shorter hours at KokoHead.
 
He "suggested" that we flood the Complaints office with E mails that Require an answer.
 
Send to:  complaints@honolulu.gov
 
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.   
 
Remember, some one has to personally answer All the complaints.  Ask for the answer to be Emailed back to you instead of phone.
 
 
 
 
Who's going to the range in the near future? Whoever is should print out a flyer and post it at every bulletin board at Kokohead asking them to make their complaint to the Mayor's office....I'm not sure the majority of users have found this site yet, so it might be a good way to get more folks to send in an e-mail or letter.
 
Oh, I just e-mailed my "complaint"
« Last Edit: September 29, 2010, 09:24:58 PM by HiCarry »

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