Let me get this straight.

This guy comes on the forum to sell his pistol.

He doesn't respond to any of the prospective buyers.

Contributes absolutely nothing useful to this forum,

Then comes back on and whines like a bitch because he couldn't strong arm a gun shop out of their product.

NEWSFLASH dick head.
   STORES HAVE TO MAKE A PROFIT TO STAY IN BUSINESS.

If you can't afford to buy guns then get another hobby that you can afford.

The OP needs to loosen his bra strap. OGC is by far one the best lgs on the island. With the gun grabbers raising holy hell, $50 is a pittance in the grand scheme of things.

And, yes, Eric has helped me in the past. I can see why you might think he was giving you an attitude, but he shoots from the hip (pun intended) and doesn't sugar coat anything. I like people to be as upfront as possible; I'm sick of the PC bullcrap. So, I take his blunt approach as honesty, which I appreciate.

Gotta pile on .....

 IMHO, OGC is the best shop on the island.

I frequent all the shops and OGC has the most consistent supply, service and prices.

I never totally black ball a shop without 2-3 "incidents". The only shop that's on my shit list is the shop next to Ward Center/Sports Authority( and if I hear from enough people they have changed, I would give them another try)

The OGC crew handles business just the way I like it; no BS, more than fair, and are good guys once you get to know them a little.


OP, might I suggest Origami as a new hobby; it's cheap and you can make some cool paper guns!

 Relax and give them another chance, if not oh well.

Carter, Eric, Gene, Dan and Gus are all stand up guys. if you feel slighted on the price try and find a better deal. I don't get how people can't grasp the idea of fluctuating prices. gun prices are just as volatile as gas prices. gas prices change daily. once a station gets new gas they have to adjust it according to what they paid for. guns are no different. even before all the madness prices would fluctuate the same.

I must be the only one on this board to feel for the op.  Now I'd say he does have a legitimate concern with the sales man's attitude and no matter how tatical or knowledgable someone is about something, if they piss off a paying customer they are costing you (as the owner) money!  That and you are only as good as your last sale.  I'd highly suggest everyone in the retail business take a lesson from the late and great patrick swayze in roadhouse where he tells his staff to "BE NICE"!  Sure he didn't buy a gun from you and you probally won't miss that one sell but I bet he has at least one friend and word of mouth is one of the biggest things which can either help or hurt your business, especially some place which is as close knitt as Hawaii. 

As far as the price of guns are concerned, you gotta pay to play (especially in this economy and time).  If you don't like the price of something you can either vote with your money and not buy it or find someone else which is willing to sell it to you for the price you want.  Just remember, you are living in a time where Pmags should cost 12 bucks a pop but run anywhere form 60-90 bucks on the open market while glocks which should cost 500 bucks are going for 800-900 bucks.  If something cost 50 bucks more and you really want it, I'd buy it before it goes up even more (that or wait about 6-12 months and get it at a much more resonable price).  You are also living in one of the worst states to own and gun and that's gonna cost you even more.  Once again, you gotta pay to play! 

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Also saw him publicly scold an employee (for no reason) who was providing excellent service and did nothing wrong but ask if I could approach the counter.  I didnt like what I saw, and wont be coming back.  Notice no anger or profanity (other than the quoted statement" in my post.  Its called rationality and maturity.  Learn it.  Stuff works well with dealing with firearms.  You lost my business over 50.00.

Rational and mature would've been to get the facts straight, then address/resolve any issue privately. Publicly airing a grievance over a single incident is just impulsive and crass...saying it well and calm doesn't change that. Perhaps being someone with impusle control problems shouldn't own a firearm? That's just my opinion on that...

And I'm not defending Carter, he doesn't need it because his reputation stands on it's own merit.

It's a business that requires strict attention to detail . One mess up could cost them the company. If you are crying over 50 bucks you should really change your sport to basket ball lol .

I really don't think the $50 is the real issue here.  OSOQWK is probably thinking gun shops work like "normal" retail or Walmart/big box stores and that what happened was some kind of bait and switch. Most of us know it's NOT and understand that shops don't keep a huge stock, so prices will fluctuate by order/shipment.

OGC has the best prices around. If you think that markup is bad you should check all the other stores and see how much they raised the prices...
as for your "Bad Experience" ive had a couple at other places that made me never want to return to the shop again, but i think OGC is a good shop maybe that guy needs to work on his people skills hahaha 

I must be the only one on this board to feel for the op.  Now I'd say he does have a legitimate concern with the sales man's attitude and no matter how tatical or knowledgable someone is about something, if they piss off a paying customer they are costing you (as the owner) money!  That and you are only as good as your last sale.  I'd highly suggest everyone in the retail business take a lesson from the late and great patrick swayze in roadhouse where he tells his staff to "BE NICE"!  Sure he didn't buy a gun from you and you probally won't miss that one sell but I bet he has at least one friend and word of mouth is one of the biggest things which can either help or hurt your business, especially some place which is as close knitt as Hawaii. 

You make a valid point about not pissing customers off, but here's what I think you should consider.  Most of us have interacted with everyone @ OGC, and most of us do not have a problem with anyone there or their attitudes.  I try to be nice to all of my customers every day, but I'm sure I piss off one on occasion just because they don't like the answer they get.

as a relatively new gun owner, i've shopped around a lot of places when i was making my first purchase, and i can say that OGC won a customer in me. 

out of chance, i usually end up being served by Dan or Eugene, both whom have been very paitent, and very willing to show me items and explain them, even if i tell them i probably wont be buying soon.  the only other person i recognize out of familiarity is Carter.  they have a couple of other guys i dont know.  i don't know who eric is.

but i've never had any problems with they're service.  they dont push sales, they dont BS about things, they work with you and your own ideas.  i HAVE seen a few heated exchanges between staff and customers (most recently, about 3-4 weeks ago, this big dude who was working the register that i didnt know got into a shouting match with two guys who tried to walk off with a gun without signing for it, but i can understand why the staffer was so upset), but generally, i've never seen anything remotely approaching bad service towards anyone so long as they arent breaking any rules. 

I don't know who eric is, but i think you'd be well served in giving OGC another chance.  of all the shops i've been to, OGC has easily been the most comfortable for me to be in. 

OGC is the only place I go to. I've been to all of them. My opinion doesn't count for much here, but I do have this to say.

It's of my opinion that purchasing a firearm is unlike purchasing pretty much anything else in any retail store. Mainly because with firearms ownership comes a certain amount of responsibility that even cars don't carry. I think it's correct to feel that the last thing anyone wants is an uneducated and/or irresponsible firearms owner. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling the OP uneducated or irresponsible. But my guess is that a lot of the straight forward attitude experienced is with the mindset that you've already done your homework.

Now I understand the argument over new gun owners and their, shall we say, lack of education. But before my very first purchase, I spent countless hours reading material and forums (such as forums like this) so when I first stepped foot in OGC back in their old building, I already had my questions and concerns ready, as well as enough book knowledge to be able to answer any questions thrown my way. I also knew what price RANGE my firearm sold for and knew the upper and lower limits of what I felt fair value was. OGC has always been at the lower end of that scale, which is why it is my personal one stop shop.

Now everyone approaches things with their own personal "style." But I've always found the guys at OGC to be very straight forward and somewhat curt (if that's the right word), which I enjoy because I don't want someone to sell me a gun like they sell a car. That's just me. But on the same token, I perceive it actually as respect because they're not treating me like some no brain newb. They're talking to me under the impression that I fully understand that I know what it is that they're talking about. Which, for me, says a lot because I would feel more offended if they treated me like a no brain newb rather than the straight forward style they approach me with.

Just my opinions, bash as much as you like, but I just felt I needed to say it. 

I must be the only one on this board to feel for the op.  Now I'd say he does have a legitimate concern with the sales man's attitude and no matter how tatical or knowledgable someone is about something, if they piss off a paying customer they are costing you (as the owner) money!  That and you are only as good as your last sale.  I'd highly suggest everyone in the retail business take a lesson from the late and great patrick swayze in roadhouse where he tells his staff to "BE NICE"!  Sure he didn't buy a gun from you and you probally won't miss that one sell but I bet he has at least one friend and word of mouth is one of the biggest things which can either help or hurt your business, especially some place which is as close knitt as Hawaii.......................

You make a good point, however remember there is his side of the incident, there is their side of the incident, and the truth is usually somewhere in between.

They were pretty rough on me too.. I told them I bought something at the old magnum firearms and they scolded me for not getting it from them for CHEAPER haha. They're good guys. Got my 2 glocks and pretty much all my bullets from them

"Over twenty years of military service in the field and I think like 7 deployments don't really prepare you for a life of ass kissing and retail shmoozing as your first civilian job. "

Yeah I was in there a couple of times coming back from the GU  and pop into OGC.  I meet with Eric is his last name Torres?  idk?   (he deployed with NSW,  - edited by CB ).  That's AWESOME.  That's why I like OGC and Carter gets the top people who have done 20 years on the teams and acutually used the equipment that they sell.  Eric is an All-American Hero in my book!  he is the real deal "ACT of Valor" and us locals are truly previledge to have him and his knowledge here in da aina.

When I walk in there wanting to know about a sig, he steeered me away and pointed me into the right direction with a Glock.  My wallet and me mental state of mind is Happy!   
I wish he would be able to teach us all his knowledge.  I'm sure I could us some of his skillsets.  It would be cool to do the running and gunning that he did for our country! 
      aloha braddah and Carter keep up the good work!

       ps. you gonna get the Bravo Company Jack Carbine in?  It looks awesome!

Interesting and unfortunate but wasn't me.. I've been out with respiratory infection all week.  Must have been Eric?  Brown hair medium build?  I'm the owner, Carter, the big scruffy one.  We're still sanding off Eric's rough edges.  Over twenty years of military service in the field and I think like 7 deployments don't really prepare you for a life of ass kissing and retail shmoozing as your first civilian job.  This is generally the point where I try to be all accommodating but I'm coughing up a lung and can't muster the energy. 

As far as I can tell, you are more upset at the tone then the price, which I can understand.  Our prices are set percentage over cost.  As we have to buy guns fr every distributor known to man just to
Keep the shelves full we pay sometimes significant variations in price from different sources or even just at different times.  The prices quoted are for that gun at that time.  You chose not to buy it, someone else did.  Best of luck in your search.

Also, considering this is our section of the forum that we have complete control over, I'm wondering why I don't just delete it, but felt you deserved an answer.

Thanks for the reply, and honoring the post.  Im not upset with the price, rather how quickly the conversation escalated.  I had every right to question the price raise.  I dont sell guns for a living, so theres no way for me to know how pricing works with distributors.  I think any customer who viewed a item and came in to buy 17 hours later would politely ask why the price had gone up.

Am i crying over 50.00, no, I chose to walk out because when the words" why did the price go up" left my mouth the dude almost jumped over the counter.  Everyone is armed in that store, I didnt want to do business with someone having anger issues packing heat...in a gun store....over 50.00

I had no attitude in the store, and meant none with this post.  Perhaps your man was just having a rough week, he just needs to understand theres more "casual buyers" out there than there are "gun experts".
Ill give OGC another try, will try to catch you in person when Im in.  -thx

I only buy from OGC!  Carter & the gang r awesome! 

I didnt like what I saw, and wont be coming back. 

Now lets see if you're man enough to walk into OGC and tell them face to face that you refuse to do business with them as a matter of principal.

Or, if you're just another nameless, faceless queer hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet.
The kind of queef that goes online and makes bold statements then runs back to O.G.C. as soon as they get a sale and try to take advantage of it.


You and I both know what kind of person you are.
See you at O.G.C. For the next big sale, hiding behind your anonymity.

OGC is great!  They take care of their customers and always have.  I've been in there dozens of times.  Always spend a lot of money and leave with a smile on my face.  Not sure how they keep doing that   

OP it comes down to research.  If you know what the MSRP of the firearm was and realize its at or still a little below the MSRP, despite being $50 higher, well you simply missed the boat.  Questioning someone's pricing was the wrong thing to do.  Rather, ask if you can negotiate or if the price is fixed.  Simple as that. 


Not sure what to pay,  the Internet has all the info available at your fingertips.  No excuse not to arm yourself with knowledge.  This is coming from personal experience doing sales everyday. 

Thanks for the reply, and honoring the post.  Im not upset with the price, rather how quickly the conversation escalated.  I had every right to question the price raise.  I dont sell guns for a living, so theres no way for me to know how pricing works with distributors.  I think any customer who viewed a item and came in to buy 17 hours later would politely ask why the price had gone up.

Am i crying over 50.00, no, I chose to walk out because when the words" why did the price go up" left my mouth the dude almost jumped over the counter.  Everyone is armed in that store, I didnt want to do business with someone having anger issues packing heat...in a gun store....over 50.00

I had no attitude in the store, and meant none with this post.  Perhaps your man was just having a rough week, he just needs to understand theres more "casual buyers" out there than there are "gun experts".
Ill give OGC another try, will try to catch you in person when Im in.  -thx

Pricing works the same for every person selling something.  They pay "X" and sell for "Y".  Same thing for groceries, cars, etc.  Asking why pricing goes up, yup a fair question. 

Saying that you don't want to get in with it because they are armed.............really man?  Almost every single firearms store will have guys carrying.  You may not realize it, but they almost always have something loaded up and within reach.  To imply that someone is going to go off the deep end..........again, really man?


I will say it again............there is your side, there is their side, and the truth probably lies within the middle.

Now lets see if you're man enough to walk into OGC and tell them face to face that you refuse to do business with them as a matter of principal.

Or, if you're just another nameless, faceless queer hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet.
The kind of queef that goes online and makes bold statements then runs back to O.G.C. as soon as they get a sale and try to take advantage of it.


You and I both know what kind of person you are.
See you at O.G.C. For the next big sale, hiding behind your anonymity.

Wow KK.  That was pretty personal. Especially with OSO's updated post 2 above yours.  Tell us what you really think. 

Saying that you don't want to get in with it because they are armed.............really man?  Almost every single firearms store will have guys carrying.  You may not realize it, but they almost always have something loaded up and within reach.  To imply that someone is going to go off the deep end..........again, really man?

+1.  Really Man !   You sound like the people who claim they won't protest firearms because firearms owners are scary. 

Carter and Eugene and the boys rock !  Keep up the good work, the supply and the deals !   

OSO, glad you'll give them another chance. You won't regret it.   Their actually quite funny in a witty, sitcom kind of way.  Just don't take anything personally.

I want to shop at KK's safe.... anything for sale KK?