Hey cougar thanks for the wonderful post, it clears up a lot of confusion. Now I also understand why they say you cannot have universal background checks without the possibility of registration.

How would you do a sale on the mainland? Talk stories with the buyer to get a "vibe/personality check" and write up a bill of sale?

Hey cougar thanks for the wonderful post, it clears up a lot of confusion. Now I also understand why they say you cannot have universal background checks without the possibility of registration.

+1 Mahalo cougar 

Hey cougar thanks for the wonderful post, it clears up a lot of confusion. Now I also understand why they say you cannot have universal background checks without the possibility of registration.

How would you do a sale on the mainland? Talk stories with the buyer to get a "vibe/personality check" and write up a bill of sale?

Depends on the laws of your state.  My home state, Montana, basically doesn't have any state laws, so selling one of your guns is conducted in the exact same manner as anything else you might sell.  List on the local version of craigslist, get phone call, guy looks gun over, makes offer, money, done.  You could do a bill of sale if you wanted to, but since guns aren't registered or tracked, I doubt most people would bother.

A) that's not a a loophole.  that's straight willfully ignoring the law.
B)i do believe firearms must be declared either when shipped, or travelling.  so yeah, Hawaiian Airlines just might give HPD a notice.  who knows?

Seems like a loophole when it looks this easy.  The arilines don't notify anyone re guns.  No one enforces it.  It seems pretty easy to circumvent the system.  When was the last time you went anywhere shooting and someone asked to see the registration for your firearm?  Exactly.  As long as you are not stupid and get caught, it seems like this type of thing could happen quite frequently.

I have neither done this nor do I condone it.  My point is that the sytem seems to ignore this possiblity and relies on individuals to comply.......Criminals usually are worried about straight willfully ignoring the law.

Seems like a loophole when it looks this easy.  The arilines don't notify anyone re guns.  No one enforces it.  It seems pretty easy to circumvent the system.  When was the last time you went anywhere shooting and someone asked to see the registration for your firearm?  Exactly.  As long as you are not stupid and get caught, it seems like this type of thing could happen quite frequently.

I have neither done this nor do I condone it.  My point is that the sytem seems to ignore this possiblity and relies on individuals to comply.......Criminals usually are worried about straight willfully ignoring the law.

Your home isn't bugged, so you could conceivably plot a murder without any trouble at all.  That's not a loophole.  The fact that a law can be broken doesn't mean a loophole exists. 

I think we need to get back to basics and discuss what the term "loophole" actually means: "an ambiguity, omission, etc., as in a law, by which one can avoid a penalty or responsibility".  The fact that you can commit a crime isn't a loophole, it's just the way of the world.  If there were some unintentional oversight in the law that would allow you to not register your guns and be immune from being prosecuted then that might legitimately be considered a loophole. 

Loopholes typically are found in the tax code, where wealthy individuals and companies pay lawyers to scour the books for legal ways to minimize their tax obligation--which is perfectly legal and moral, by the way.

Airlines doesn't let HPD know anything.  That would incur costs, manpower, and time.  All of which they will not do with no law to tell them to do so.  And they would charge the traveler for it too.

ok, i didnt know how that worked.


either way, it still isnt a loophole.

I'm assuming you can fly to the mainland, buy a gun, ship it back here and register it.  Without applying for any permits to acquire.

The way I read the HRS, if you already have a long gun permit, then yes you could do that with a long gun with the assumption that it's allowable that state of purchase.

The way I read the HRS with regards to pistols, no this is not permitted as you need to apply for a permit to acquire for each and every pistol............unless the shop is willing to hold the pistol for you until you get your permit to acquire approved, then they ship it to you.

Why give this guy advice about breaking laws, he could be a criminal and you may his next victim. Not good

Why give this guy advice about breaking laws, he could be a criminal and you may his next victim. Not good

  So your going to insinuate that I'm a criminal.  We can play what if on any thread guy, just saying.  I'd appricated if it wasn't mine.  For YOUR clarification, I wasn't asking for advice.  I was attempting to better understand the general gun debate in regards to what is being brought up by the media in relationship to different gun law proposals and attempt to see both sides of the argument. 

IF you have a legit concern I would recommend a PM to the Moderators of this site.

it's very easy to buy guns face to face on the mainland and them come back to Hawaii and just register them as an out of state purchase. all this crying about straw purchasing is dumb. nine times out of ten with a face to face all you need is to not look like a criminal and be willing to exchange cash and a hand shake. Hawaii and a few other states are the only places with this retardation for registration. Anywhere else no one really cares because a private sale is exactly as it implies. out of the dozen guns i own only 3 of them were bought while here in Hawaii. The rest were purchase legally out of state from both private and ffl sales.