Lautenburg is the biggest piece of shit currently ruling in the Senate.  (It's traditional to say that elected officials "serve", but I don't see much "service" from our lords and ladies in Washington these days.)  He had bad health troubles over the last couple of months, but apparently (and unfortunately) it looks like he's making a full recovery.

Lautenburg is the biggest piece of shit currently ruling in the Senate.  (It's traditional to say that elected officials "serve", but I don't see much "service" from our lords and ladies in Washington these days.)  He had bad health troubles over the last couple of months, but apparently (and unfortunately) it looks like he's making a full recovery.

uhhh, feinstein?

Not an unreasonable proposal, on the face of it.

Why would people need explosives? Of course we need a background check for such dangerous substances!

But we all know that this is a slippery slope. NICS checks soon on the way for: gasoline, kerosene, lighter fluid, camp stove fuel, lamp oil, matches, knives, pressure cookers, pipe fittings, candles, sunglasses, backpacks and baseball hats. 

Stupidity. Using these substances as explosives (rather than as gun powder for your firearms) is already illegal and can already bring the hammer of Thor down upon you (via the BATFE.) 

It is, and should be, treated like lockpicks in most states, for example. Illegal to have with the intention to use illegally. That makes it an additional charge thrown against a criminal caught in the act (which proves intent) but rests the responsibility for proving intent on the prosecution as a measure of protecting law abiding citizens.

This is political showmanship and not likely to get any traction.

To all who are reading this.....

This is why we have the NRA. To quash this kind of stuff on a national level.
Shame on you if you use this forum and are not a member of the NRA.

end of rant

To all who are reading this.....

This is why we have the NRA. To quash this kind of stuff on a national level.
Shame on you if you use this forum and are not a member of the NRA.

end of rant

+1 

The NRA is also, IMO, an alarmist BS mouthpiece in recent years that spouts a fair amount of nonsense de jour  while it protects the 2nd amendment.

While I support the 2nd amendment and occasionally the NRA via Midway's round up I feel no need to be a current member. The way they speak is often not at all how I wish to be represented. I voice my opinion directly by writing to the legislators and committee members. I'm glad the NRA is there and doing what it does but I absolutely do not support their alarmist tactics in recent years. When that settles down I'll become a member again.

Shame on you if you think that means shame on me.

What a shameful day here in the forum 

Its a crying shame. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/suspect-in-custody-newspaper-says/2095845/

Anyone else notice that these two would have ~passed~ a background check?

How the Hell did they get gunpowder?  I havent been able to find or buy any for over a year with the shortages....

uhhh, feinstein?

What's Feinstein accomplished?  Thanks to Lautenberg we have the abortion of a law that bears his name.

Reid, Feinstein, Boxer, Durbin, Schumer, Lautenberg, Menedez, McCaskill, Warren, etc. are all scum. And those are the Democrats that I can think of off the top of my head.

The NRA is also, IMO, an alarmist BS mouthpiece in recent years that spouts a fair amount of nonsense de jour  while it protects the 2nd amendment.

While I support the 2nd amendment and occasionally the NRA via Midway's round up I feel no need to be a current member. The way they speak is often not at all how I wish to be represented. I voice my opinion directly by writing to the legislators and committee members. I'm glad the NRA is there and doing what it does but I absolutely do not support their alarmist tactics in recent years. When that settles down I'll become a member again.

Shame on you if you think that means shame on me.

Even though you might disagree with some of what they do,  (I too sometimes tire of the constant alarmist emails) I believe in the big picture it is very important to join and support the NRA.

Without the NRA being the huge juggernaut of a lobby it is, we would have been turning in all our guns over to be scrapped a long time ago.
Same smell with HRA.  I really don't agree with how they are handling the current bill that will probably be rammed through soon.  I will still be a member.
Not saying shame on you. Its your choice.
I just took advantage of the Glen Beck offer for life membership.  Good deal for sure.

The NRA is also, IMO, an alarmist BS mouthpiece in recent years that spouts a fair amount of nonsense de jour  while it protects the 2nd amendment.

While I support the 2nd amendment and occasionally the NRA via Midway's round up I feel no need to be a current member. The way they speak is often not at all how I wish to be represented. I voice my opinion directly by writing to the legislators and committee members. I'm glad the NRA is there and doing what it does but I absolutely do not support their alarmist tactics in recent years. When that settles down I'll become a member again.

Shame on you if you think that means shame on me.

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I never expected such a response. However I still respect your opinion.
Let me say this though:

No person, place, or thing is perfect. Certainly, the NRA is not perfect.
But think about all the things that the NRA has given us, such as setting the standards for safety training, marksmanship training -both civilian and law enforcement, competitive shooting, RO training, range construction standards, technical training and information, and last but not least, vigilant political monitoring that no single individual can perform.
It is obvious to me that the good things outweigh any negative aspect. The NRA deserves to be supported wholeheartedly by anyone who believes that firearm ownership is the true key to individual liberty.

I think of it this way...
For the most part, my children are good kids who have grown to be productive members of society. In the past they have done and said some pretty stupid stuff that made my blood boil. But when they did bad things, I did not abandon them. I still fed and clothed them because in the grand scheme of things, I know they are a good thing.

And so it is with the NRA.

Yours Truly,

The Oldfart
NRA Endowment Member (and damn proud of it)

Sure. I highly respect the NRA and its members, actually, and have defended it on many occasions from folks who insist it is an Evil "Gun Lobby" instead of a non-profit, voice of the people in D.C. It is well funded and "powerful" because a whole lot of Americans support their efforts with their hard earned cash - and the crooks on the Hill know that. Its not some shady special interest group that is trying to subvert the democratic process, it is a shining example of a grass roots organization that is amplifying the voice of the people THROUGH the BS that has subverted the democratic process.

I totally get it. That I'm not an NRA member actually gives me more ground to stand on when making such arguments with anti-gun types.

Not to continue this off topic tangent - I just wanted to be sure my respect for the NRA and its members was clear. I know I have odd, idealistic points of view but did not want that to be mistaken for disrespect.

Even though you might disagree with some of what they do,  (I too sometimes tire of the constant alarmist emails) I believe in the big picture it is very important to join and support the NRA.

Without the NRA being the huge juggernaut of a lobby it is, we would have been turning in all our guns over to be scrapped a long time ago.
Same smell with HRA.  I really don't agree with how they are handling the current bill that will probably be rammed through soon.  I will still be a member.
Not saying shame on you. Its your choice.
I just took advantage of the Glen Beck offer for life membership.  Good deal for sure.

I agree with this.  I don't always agree with everything NRA says but the fact is they do represent your 2nd Ammendment rights.  If their message had been "don't worry about it, no one is going to take your guns" I think we would be having a very different discussion today.  I think the fact that the NRA rang the alarm bell so loudly on this one is why you saw the votes in the Senate fall the way they did.  By no means did we have a majority but my thinking is the the message from the NRA was one of great urgency and as such, we the people responded with a barrage of letters, emails, and phone calls to our reps, far more than the opposition.  And that was their mistake, their message was "don't worry, common sense will prevail."  "It is sensible so there is no way it can't pass."  But yet after months of efforts on our part, it did not pass.  And just think, if we didn't fight this time and they got their way, what would they get next time?  For me, sometimes you have to deal with it for the greater good.  I use my individual voice but I can be in DC to lobby so I pay the NRA to help me out.  Simple as that.

Clearly the big gun organizations like NRA are essential for the greater good and their membership numbers and lobbying efforts are critical. We would be sunk without the NRA IMO. Case in point at the state level. Numerous people have wrote their state legislators in opposition of SB69 and look how many replies form the legislators reference HRAs written testimony in support of this bill and that is in part or fully why they support this bill, irregardless of all the letters/emails they received from individuals opposing it. It gives them justification to support this bill and their agenda. Not saying our letters don't do any good but the big organizations are key. Just saying, just like Bud, Heavies and others, sometimes, although we may not always agree whole heartedly with the NRA and some of their tactics and PR, membership in numbers and their horse power is absolutely essential to stand a fighting chance on these huge 2a and gun issues that are getting shoved down our throats.

As far as who didn't see this coming I can't help you out much, but the first photo on the link is from someone who definitely saw some stuff coming. I saw the post on Thursday, and to watch it all play out on Friday was chilling. Take what you want from it, but this latest powder check legislation is probably going to grow legs faster than you can say "media lies".

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU