Sorry if this is a repost.

Things that make you go hmmmm

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The thing about the 30ft is, you can move too, your not "fixed" in a position and hopefully not in a situation where you cannot move.  That's what I learned on tv.      

Yeah, if you know what you are doing a knife is a hugely effective CCW.

If you know what you are doing. Just like marksmanship you have to train and practice or the weapon is more of a liability.

edit: just looking at the knife laws... http://knife-expert.com/hi.txt

Carrying a knife such that you can get to it that quickly is probably going to raise some eyebrows if it is noticed but, depending on the knife, may not be illegal. I'd avoid "tactial" knives for this purpose. I'll have to look more into it and see what the court history is on it.

I do know that a friend of mine went to jail under anti-terrorism laws for having an "explosive device" and an "assault weapon" in his car: an m-80 rolling around in the trunk from New Years and a tanto-tip dive knife. But the circumstance was that he was drunk and belligerent on the beach too close to one of the bases and it was MP's who confronted him.

Just like with lockpicks, I'd print out and carry a copy of the law.

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I dunno why this particular vid is going around now...
...but, it's obvious that the knife attacker in most of the examples are trained to use a knife very effectively.
This is like trying to defend against an MMA guy when they grab you, and you end up on the ground.
I bet the majority of us (me included) could not effectively defend such attacks.
Although very shocking, I would think these would be very extreme examples for such an attack?
I'm not downplaying that it's not possible.

pretty interesting video, i usually keep my benchmade with me at all times.....you just never know

Some pics of knife wounds and knife attack vids

I usually carry a multi-tool with a knife, not quite as fast to whip out but the risk of "it's a weapon" is far lower since it has many obvious, non-threatening, legitimate purposes.

Plus, most of the knife fighting techniques are nonsense from a defense standpoint. If someone wants to get you, they'll just rush and shank you. Stabbie, stabbie. No fancy moves required.

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I use to have the DogBrothers train on my lawn. When ever there was knife training one thing was clear by the end your gonna get stuck and its gonna be ugly. Most that fancy slashing counter attack shit goes out the window once someone charges you with a blade. No matter if you have a knife in your pocket or not your not getting to it in time. Knife fights like the MJ video don't happened most are surprise attacks. Just comes down to fight for survival. One thing i did notice that helped majority of the time was one pick up anything you have around you and two control the knife hand. Outside of that work on your situational awareness.

In a knife fight, one person leaving dripping, and one person leaves gushing.  Just hope that you are the one dripping.

Apparently the 'secret' to avoiding unnecessary prosecution is a dedicated utility knife. As long as you can articulate and explain how it fits as a utility knife, you should be OK.

This is why I carry either a karambit or kukri knife. I actually do use them as utility knives, but also trained with them for hth.

Of course, they will decide just what is and what isn't in court, so tread carefully.

I can't see how a kerambit is a utility knife. Do you have sources of it being used as a utility knife?

I use to have the DogBrothers train on my lawn.

Really? Was this on Oahu? If not where?

I usually carry a multi-tool with a knife, not quite as fast to whip out but the risk of "it's a weapon" is far lower since it has many obvious, non-threatening, legitimate purposes.

Plus, most of the knife fighting techniques are nonsense from a defense standpoint. If someone wants to get you, they'll just rush and shank you. Stabbie, stabbie. No fancy moves required.

Pretty much.  Even if you have a gun to defend yourself, if the person is in "threat range" with a knife, he's likely going to be on top of you even if you shoot him center of mass.  Unless you hit a "switch", the attacker will likely have enough capacity to be on top of you and doing damage before his "timer" runs out. 

When training against knife attacks, often the assumption is that you're going to get cut.  Just a matter of trying not to get cut in critical/vital areas. 

I've trained in two different counter knife systems...dying countless times in training.


Together I categorize stopping a knife into several components.

1. Before the draw
2. During the draw
3. After the draw
a. Before a strike
c. During a strike
d. After a strike

A lot of martial arts training focuses on #3, while less emphasis if any is put on #1 and #2.
All aspects should be developed and addressed with resistance and sparring. This includes #3 knife clinch and the knife grapple.

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I've trained in two different counter knife systems...dying countless times in training.


Together I categorize stopping a knife into several components.

1. Before the draw
2. During the draw
3. After the draw
a. Before a strike
c. During a strike
d. After a strike

A lot of martial arts training focuses on #3, while less emphasis if any is put on #1 and #2.
All aspects should be developed and addressed with resistance and sparring. This includes #3 knife clinch and the knife grapple.

Yep. Pretty much.  Never really thought about it much, but the training that I've done has all been about #3 (and subparts). 

Any basic thoughts you care to share on #1 and #2.  I am assuming the person is already identified as a threat at that point, but how do you key on #1 if you don't even know he has a knife.  I assumed one is always in #3 since until then you're dealing with an unarmed aggressor.  Of course, that can always change once you've "started" and he goes for a knife during the encounter.  Do you key on motions or actions that indicate a person could be going for a knife?  I would assume those would be similar or same for someone who could be going for a gun.  This is quite interesting and something that I never really considered. 

Google + Karambit history & modern usage.

And in its place of origin, Indonesia, most people carry karambits for the sole purpose nor using it as a utility knife, same way we would use bowie knife in the bush.

Going through google...articles I have failed to find specific uses of the karambit as a utility knife. Almost every article I have read illustrates it's use as a weapon. There is mention that it is used as a utility knife similar to a swiss army knife, other than that. Maybe you could find specific articles describing and highlighting it's utilitarian use.
Your edc is up to you, but I'd like more specifics. In support I can see how a federal air marshal or rescuer could use it as a utility knife.
Some of the cons that I can see are similar to the BlackTalon arguments.