Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control (Read 18830 times)

robtmc

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2013, 08:19:43 PM »
That's what I thought when Obama won again. Notice that even with talks of cutbacks and sequesters, nobody dares mention cutting welfare?Maybe because by the time 2016 rolls around, there'll be more voters on government assistance-- that is, if we still have the money!
Well, there is that awkward little matter already of about half the US not paying any federal taxes at all.  What do you think the chances are of those freeloaders upsetting the gravy train?  There will only be more of them next election, you can count on that, it is part of the great "transformation" the idiot Obunga voters so desperately want.

new guy

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2013, 11:43:27 PM »
.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 07:28:42 PM by new guy »
Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

TeamMidori

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2013, 06:38:39 AM »
Mr Obama when ur done playing king, please, please, please, don't move to Hawaii.

I thought I was sick of seeing and hearing Kim Kardashian.

SpeedTek

  • Trade Count: (+44)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4749
  • Total likes: 126
  • Car Nut, Machinist, Gunsmith & Monkey
  • Referrals: 2
    • View Profile
    • X-Ring on the WWW
Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2013, 08:23:42 AM »
Blame Obama he was running guns to Mexico with holder.

The amount of guns that came from the us is small compared to what comes from europe into Mexico.  The numbers are made up anyway.
Political Correctness is FOS
I collect M1 Carbines, PM me if youre selling!
& Bolt Action 308s also 10/22 Rugers.
Buying STOCK Ruger 10/22 parts and bits, PM me.
Now doing Vintage VW Parts!

roadster99

BananaClip

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2013, 10:18:11 PM »
What a punk......
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"- Genesis1:1 KJV

"The Truth Shall Set You Free"

"Once Blind But Now i See"

Heavies

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2013, 07:15:07 AM »

SpeedTek

  • Trade Count: (+44)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4749
  • Total likes: 126
  • Car Nut, Machinist, Gunsmith & Monkey
  • Referrals: 2
    • View Profile
    • X-Ring on the WWW
Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2013, 07:53:49 AM »
Speaking with a forked tongue....

So when is he going to procescute Eric Holder & Himself for running 2000+ guns into Mexico?
Political Correctness is FOS
I collect M1 Carbines, PM me if youre selling!
& Bolt Action 308s also 10/22 Rugers.
Buying STOCK Ruger 10/22 parts and bits, PM me.
Now doing Vintage VW Parts!

ren

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2013, 07:58:13 AM »
Wow. Our OWN President bashing the country that he leads. Soft foreign policy and socialist domestic policy. We are weak. Syria doingtheir own thing, Benghazi was written off and our Mexico border is still porous.
Deeds Not Words

michalebsdad

Heavies

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2013, 04:32:27 PM »
Im just going to start making up my own stats too. 


New poll just came out...
100% of pollsters want all right infringing gun laws repealed. 

Poll:  do you want all right infringing gun laws repealed?

Yes-100%
No - 0%

 ;D

michalebsdad

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2013, 04:52:03 PM »
Im just going to start making up my own stats too. 


New poll just came out...
100% of pollsters want all right infringing gun laws repealed. 

Poll:  do you want all right infringing gun laws repealed?

Yes-100%
No - 0%

 ;D

Yessssss!  :shaka:

moosed

  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 867
  • Total likes: 0
  • Well, I'm all broken up over that man's rights!
  • Referrals: 2
    • View Profile
Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2013, 05:47:38 PM »
Here is an interesting article...

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth

"... almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States."

Fascinating ...
When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".

GZire

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2013, 07:55:04 AM »
From the linked article:

"Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum. "I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms. And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will.""But at the same time, as I’ve said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States. It’s the right thing to do," Obama added.

Technically, as he is quoted in the article, he may be right on certain issues.

I haven't seen any supporting statistics, but I don't find it hard to believe that many US-made firearms are smuggled, illegally, across the border into Mexico.

Similarly, I don't find it difficult to believe that the US-made firearms smuggled, illegally, across the border may be responsible for a large majority of the violence in Mexico.

Also consider that Mexico is not known for producing a large number of firearms, domestically, so it stands to reason that, due to proximity and existing economic/diplomatic relations with the US, many US-made firearms would find their way, legally, across the border and into Mexico, thus increasing the number of US-made firearms in Mexico.

Additionally, Mexico's gun laws prevent law abiding citizens from owning firearms, so it stands to reason that those US-made firearms that made their way into Mexico (either legally or illegally) would most likely fall into the hands of those two groups of individuals in Mexico that are most prone to "violence"; criminals or state-sponsored police/security forces.

The illegally-obtained US-made firearms would most likely fall into the hands of criminals and drug cartels, who use the firearms to wage war against rival cartels and state-sponsored police/security forces.

The legally-obtained US-made firearms would most likely fall into the hands of the state-sponsored police/security forces, who use the firearms to wage war against criminals and drug cartels.

In either situation, "violence" (using US-made firearms) ensues.

So yes, I guess it could be argued that most of the guns used to commit violence in Mexico come from the United States.................


I do respect your views, however first off unless the President has numbers that others don't, this is hardly something that he should be quoting as gospel (that the US arms constitute the majority of the firearms used in Mexico's violence).

Second, Mexico does not prohibit firearms to its citizens, rather it's so restrictive that it's basically like they have nothing.  For instance if the military uses a certain cartridge, then the citizens can't..........so no .223/5.56, no .308/7.62, 9mm, etc.  The Govt also restricts calibers above a certain size, so anything above 22lr is gone.  It's these types of laws that meant a lot of guys north of the border went south of the border to buy firearms.  At this point that supply run to the North has run out because Mexico got raided, but it was a way for guys to get nice firearms for good prices some years back.


With regards to the firearms falling into cartel hands, yes I believe it.  However to think that the Mexican forces use confiscated firearms as their primary form of arming the police forces, I find that difficult to believe.

clshade

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2013, 04:29:12 PM »
They don't get everything from the US.

Just the really good stuff. And only the cartels can afford it. They guys that don't get caught are the ones with the good stuff, not the peons that the police play with.

This isn't much disputed, folks. Nor is it the fault of US gun laws or lack thereof. Nor would any of the proposed legislation make any difference.

It is largely the fault of the US drug trade. Without it the cartels wouldn't have the money and power that they have. Mexico just wants to blame us because they can't do anything about it either.

new guy

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2013, 05:00:29 PM »
.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 07:27:46 PM by new guy »
Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

new guy

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2013, 05:33:50 PM »
.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 07:27:13 PM by new guy »
Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

GZire

Re: Obama Blames U.S. For Gun Violence In Mexico, Pushes For Gun Control
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2013, 07:48:12 AM »
^^^Hey don't get me wrong, I do think a fair amount of firearms flow from the north into Mexico (and from South/Central America up), however a President who says anything to appease whomever he is currently talking to..........I just can't respect someone like that.  I'd have more respect if he spoke truthfully and honestly all of the time instead of playing sides.

Truth of the matter is if the cartels obliterate the S/N of the firearms, we cannot really tell where they are coming from although you'd have a pretty good idea.