I'm guessing in that timeframe, cost of bulk ammo should be down to about $0.45 a round for M193 and $0.25 for 9mm with availability.  Please avoid the first weekend of the month, it's usually Army and Air Guard/Reserve drill weekend.

Security Equipment had a whole pallet of xm193 yesterday for $550.00 a case of 1000 - prices of ammo slowing coming back down. Hopefully by the time the class comes around ammo prices will be back to pre panic levels.

My last carbine course was 2500 + rounds for 3 days.

I'll try and arrange a group buy price for the superferry and I'll let you guys kn-- aww fuck.

If it's Handgun 1 and Carbine 1, I'm most likely out.  I'd possibly consider going anyways if it was on a range on Oahu (not holding my breath), but that a ton of ammo for beginner/entry level class.  Yes, I've learned a lot in the beginner/entry/level 1 classes that I've taken so far (many weren't really basic level, just the first step offered), but not enough to where I'd want to take another from a different instructor/company. 

If it's Handgun 1 and Carbine 1, I'm most likely out.  I'd possibly consider going anyways if it was on a range on Oahu (not holding my breath), but that a ton of ammo for beginner/entry level class.  Yes, I've learned a lot in the beginner/entry/level 1 classes that I've taken so far (many weren't really basic level, just the first step offered), but not enough to where I'd want to take another from a different instructor/company.

This

found tips I that you might find useful:

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=2822

Have your gear squared away.  Don’t show up to the class with a new gun, new holster, new anything that you have not wrung out on your own in practice.  Sure, the class is a great format to put your gear to the test, but if untested gear fails you, you lose training time.  Keep in mind that you have spent a ton of money on tuition, travel, lodging, and ammunition, and wasted time equals wasted money.

If you are attending a carbine course, sight in your rifle with the ammunition you are using in class.  The first hour or more of any carbine class is inevitably used for sight in, and it is better to be chasing 3-4 clicks of fine tuning than sweating to get on paper at 50m.  The Street Fighter course required students to have attended the comprehensive 3 day Carbine 1.5, yet 2 of 24 students came with guns that didn’t print near the target at 50m and required the other 22 students to stand and wait while those two guns got unscrewed.  Unacceptable.

Know your physical capabilities.  You don’t need to be the star of your Crossfit gym to take a class, but many carbine classes teach position shooting which can become quite physical.  If you can’t get in and out of positions, it can slow the progress of your learning and just make you miserable.  With that in mind, consider bringing elbow and knee pads to help mitigate joint pain issues.Shooting around cars is pretty hazardous, and everyone in class ended up finding little sharp edges and broken glass bits by the end of the class.  I planned ahead and brought long sleeve shirts, knee pads, and gloves.  Bringing your own first aid kit is a good idea too.  The host facility should (hopefully) have a trauma kit for serious injuries as well as a first aid kit for smaller boo boos, but it is nice to have your own stuff too.  My personal kit was lacking a few items I wanted, and I will be adding to it before I head out to the next class.

On day one of our class it was 90 degrees and sunny, like it is most of the year in Florida.  Proper hydration is obviously key for survival, but lots of folks were under hydrated during longer evolutions, and one fellow fell out shortly after lunch.  A Camelbak hydration system is a great asset, and I was one of only two students wearing one at the class.  Not having to run back for water let me get a few more runs in while others ran to their coolers.  Lacking a Camelbak, consider just stuffing a bottle of water into a cargo pocket or dump pouch.

found tips I found that you might find useful:

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=2822

Lots of good information there. Check out this thread as well.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1648140#post1648140

Try to read AARs from those have gone through previous similar classes. Definitely have your gun sorted out prior to the class. You don't want to be spending time fighting your gear. You want to be able to soak it all in.

Last handgun class, I added a grip plug to my Glock 17 and it caused some mags not to drop free. I had not tested it out prior to the class, but that's a case of something simple that can cause a problem. Luckily it was easily solved. In the carbine class, some brought weak ammo that was having trouble cycling the gun. A change to a lighter buffer and they were back up and running.

While it may not be possible for everyone, try to have backup/spare guns and/or parts. Even quality gear can go down or break. My spare gun helped a guy whose T-1 failed. My safety lever also broke and the safety from my backup gun served as a spare part. I would've been dead in the water otherwise.

found tips I found that you might find useful:

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=2822

These tips are on point!

We just finished a class near our home town. It was an advanced pistol course with a skills test at the end of the three day session.  TD1 was painful! The students were not prepared for class.  (IE: weapons zero, bad attitude, lack of ammo, and overweight) This hampered the classes time to knock out some quality training, but it is what it is.

Remember guys, you get what you put in.  With that being said, every body has to start some where so expect this to happen on the first day and drive on. 

Check your attitude at the door.  Keep an open mind and stay humble. 

It has been four years since we left Oahu and I do not miss the shooting community there. It's a tough market when it comes to civilian weapons training.  Practicing those skill sets on the island is tough if you are not an LEO.

I am grateful, for the opportunity to train in the mainland once again.

Good luck in you efforts!

Wish you the best!

Hope to see some of you at Yakima in December!

My last carbine course was 2500 + rounds for 3 days.

Which Carbine course did you attend?  That is a high round count for 3 days.  Tom Givens Carbine Class required us to have only 1200 rounds when we stopped by in North Carolina.

Which Carbine course did you attend?  That is a high round count for 3 days.  Tom Givens Carbine Class required us to have only 1200 rounds when we stopped by in North Carolina.

Costa CE02.   I also did the HE02; I had a similar round count for that.   

To be fair, I could have gotten away with more like 2k.  Some people were sitting out some of the drills at the end of the course, and I was trying to run them more.

His 3 day requirements are:
Students provide their own ammo: 1800rds Minimum, and 300 rounds of Handgun ammo.

Costa CE02.   I also did the HE02; I had a similar round count for that.   

To be fair, I could have gotten away with more like 2k.  Some people were sitting out some of the drills at the end of the course, and I was trying to run them more.

His 3 day requirements are:
Students provide their own ammo: 1800rds Minimum, and 300 rounds of Handgun ammo.

Was that course before or after the recent ammo price and availability craze?  I've had friends go through Costa Ludus and Magpul courses when Chris was still with them and they went through a bunch of ammo.  None of them have taken the course in the last 6-8 months or so though. 

The two courses I took last week were typically 1000 for the handgun and 1000 carbine and 200 handgun.  Both were cut in half for this go around.  If you brought more, you had plenty of opportunity to shoot that much, but I didn't feel shortchanged one bit keeping to the reduced round counts.  I think I shot around 600 for the 2-day handgun course and around 500 carbine and 140 handgun in the 2-day carbine course.  They adjusted their drills and course content to account for the lower round counts and adding more things like relay drills, opportunity to pace your rounds expended and more lecture type content on stuff like TCCC.  Would I have liked to shoot more, definitely!  But I didn't feel shortchanged one bit. 

Costa CE02.   I also did the HE02; I had a similar round count for that.   

To be fair, I could have gotten away with more like 2k.  Some people were sitting out some of the drills at the end of the course, and I was trying to run them more.

His 3 day requirements are:
Students provide their own ammo: 1800rds Minimum, and 300 rounds of Handgun ammo.

You must have taken the course before the ammo cost hit the roof.  Good for you!

Was that course before or after the recent ammo price and availability craze?  I've had friends go through Costa Ludus and Magpul courses when Chris was still with them and they went through a bunch of ammo.  None of them have taken the course in the last 6-8 months or so though. 

The two courses I took last week were typically 1000 for the handgun and 1000 carbine and 200 handgun.  Both were cut in half for this go around.  If you brought more, you had plenty of opportunity to shoot that much, but I didn't feel shortchanged one bit keeping to the reduced round counts.  I think I shot around 600 for the 2-day handgun course and around 500 carbine and 140 handgun in the 2-day carbine course.  They adjusted their drills and course content to account for the lower round counts and adding more things like relay drills, opportunity to pace your rounds expended and more lecture type content on stuff like TCCC.  Would I have liked to shoot more, definitely!  But I didn't feel shortchanged one bit.

I juts finished a local school and 700 rounds kicked my ass.  They stressed accuracy instead of timing your shots on target. I believe shortening the round counts, and pushing for accuracy/shot placement goes a long way for defensive shooting.

On a side note:  I can recall a 4 day course we attended back in the day.  Each shooter brought roughly anywhere from 3.5 to 4K worth of pistol ammo.  It was good for muscle memory but it got boring after TD2 at Casa Grande, AZ.  You can only train on static range for so long before it just becomes repetitious in nature.

I juts finished a local school and 700 rounds kicked my ass.  They stressed accuracy instead of timing your shots on target. I believe shortening the round counts, and pushing for accuracy/shot placement goes a long way for defensive shooting.

On a side note:  I can recall a 4 day course we attended back in the day.  Each shooter brought roughly anywhere from 3.5 to 4K worth of pistol ammo.  It was good for muscle memory but it got boring after TD2 at Casa Grande, AZ.  You can only train on static range for so long before it just becomes repetitious in nature.

The instructor of the course that I attended does stress accuracy, even with their normal round count classes that I went to last year.  That when you find yourself getting fatigued and accuracy waning, to take a break and not build the bad habits into musle memory. 

On one reload drill, the assistant instructor noticed that my first shot after the reload was typically out of my norm for other shots.  It seems like I wasn't re-establishing my grip well after the reload and was rushing to get the follow-up shot.  My time was good, but my accuracy suffered.  I was still in the "hit zone" but you could tell that the shots were off.  After concentrating and taking just a little longer to make sure I re-established my grip, the accuracy went back up.  So it really is the little things and not necessarily slinging tons of rounds down range. 

Man, I can't imagine going through 1k/day for 4 days! 

You must have taken the course before the ammo cost hit the roof.  Good for you!

I attended in Mid Jan of this year, but I had ordered ammo before that.  There was some SHTF, but I ended up calling the president of the ammo mfg company and explaining my situation (flights paid for, hotels paid, purchased his ammo at the start of DEC), i had to use .223 instead of 5.56 because that's what they had tooled up, but he got me my ammo.  I was in full blown panic mode though!  Of course, when I got there, the guys at the LAX range were there as well and sold us ammo at really good prices.

Ok guys sorry for the delay - Finally got some hard dates back from Magpul Dynamics, here are the dates we are looking at.

February 3-5 for Carbine 1 and 7-9 for Handgun 1 or
February 10-12 for Carbine 1 and 14-16 for Handgun 1

They will need a minimum of 15 students for reach class and each class will be for 3 days.

link to magpul classeshttp://magpuldynamics.com/weapons-manipulation.html

I will put up a poll to see which dates have the most interest so we can try to maximize attendance. I am also looking into a range on Oahu that might be willing to host, will keep you posted. 

poll for class dates added to post

I'm much more likely to do this if its on Oahu.  Itll be a steep buy in one way or the other, but much more doable if I don't have to worry about flying in, a place to stay, and transporting stuff.

hey Jon could you update the original post with location and costs?

I just posted the second date because it's further from SHOT.  Can go with either.