well if that letter says call the police immediately if our lives or property is being threatened maybe we should call the police every minute of our lives

Well said Sir!

Wow!  I wonder how many people are on that list and if that can be retrieved via FOIA? If so, one could actually see who had submitted for a CCW vs those who say they will and have not submitted for one.  Very interesting!

Good idea FOIA

Well, several years ago my HPD recruit application got denied. I turned in my CCW app after already doing the written test. Turned in the PQ packet and was waiting for the clarification interview.

On the rejection phone call it was because of "inconsistensies" with my previous PQ packet (which is what the clarification interview is for). In the rejection letter the chief said my type of character was not desired.


Damn right we're on a list.

Although it wouldn't surprise me... I don't think they expend that much effort into anything lol. Not at that level.

Here's why we need concealed carry and HPD is a penus for denying us our right, then punishing us for excercising this right.

 

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Everyone please check PMs.  Anyone who has applied for CCW or has an interest to please do so now and then contact wolfwood for an important update.  The process as I know of is get some passport photos ($4.99 for 4 at Costco is a good deal) and fill out the form at the HPD registration window.  You may prepare a letter outlining your request as well, otherwise it's a similar process to filling out permits to acquire.  Have a copy of the handgun registration for the firearm you intend to carry.

I wish I had seen this earlier. I just got home from hpd. Any details of the important update or is it info that should not be posted on open forum?

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I understand about the food, baby brotha but we're still friends

"May your chains set lightly upon you"

If we could get changes or just get a "Stand your ground law" here. Right now if some 5 time meth head felon breaks into my house and threatens my family and I shoot him, I go to jail.
If we can change that maybe there would be more justification for CCW? IDK its all so backwards
 

If we could get changes or just get a "Stand your ground law" here. Right now if some 5 time meth head felon breaks into my house and threatens my family and I shoot him, I go to jail.
If we can change that maybe there would be more justification for CCW? IDK its all so backwards

That's because you left off "and kill" after "I shoot".  When the law is looking for a reason to punish the victim, it's best if there is only one version of events ...

So many stupid laws are chock full of unintended consequences.  When wounding entails more chance of jail than killing, guess what the result will be?

Everyone please check PMs.  Anyone who has applied for CCW or has an interest to please do so now and then contact Chris/funtimes for an important update.  The process as I know of is get some passport photos ($4.99 for 4 at Costco is a good deal) and fill out the form at the HPD registration window.  You may prepare a letter outlining your request as well, otherwise it's a similar process to filling out permits to acquire.

Might do it this Friday since I usually have the time. Wonder if mentioning how 13(?) other states allow me with Washington's permit, and LEOSA (ish) does too.

Might do it this Friday since I usually have the time. Wonder if mentioning how 13(?) other states allow me with Washington's permit, and LEOSA (ish) does too.

Let it be on official record.  (Other states ask for copies of licenses or other permits on their application, Hawaii does not as I recall but I listed them + recent training anyways) It should only help and lend more credence to the request. Hawaii is one of the last remaining "may issue" states.  Chris has led the way with his case, now we are asked to join the fight!  I would hope everyone here at 2AHawaii will do so, all shop owners, all HRA members, all supporters of the 2nd Amendment.   "If not now, when, if not us, who?"   JOIN US - MAHALO

If we could get changes or just get a "Stand your ground law" here. Right now if some 5 time meth head felon breaks into my house and threatens my family and I shoot him, I go to jail.
If we can change that maybe there would be more justification for CCW? IDK its all so backwards

Actually when it comes to dwellings Hawaii does have the castle doctrine, you do not have to retreat from your own house. That doesn't mean you can shoot a burglar in the back simply because you seem him in your house, you still need to articulate your fear, the dangers of the situation, etc.

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Even that is incorrect.

The intruder must actively and violently be forcing his/her way into your home with the intention to violently assault or kill you, and you must not have any other alternative action or route to safety in order to be justified.

And if they can find a way to prove that you had another choice and are therefore in the wrong, you can bet your ass they are going to spend time trying to find you guilty rather than focus on the person invading your home.

...and when the cops arrive to find the perp dead inside my house with a 21" machete in his hand, it'll be my word against .... well, just my word!   

FWIW,  in the early '70s, I did see the permits of CCW that was issued.

The ID cards took up about 2/3 of a shoe box.  Yep, that's how they were stored.

According to C & C "rules" all Tests (including CCW) are supposed to be Public Record

and Available to the Public at the City Clerks Office.

Again, I did get to see the entire test.  Should have gotten a complete set when I did.

HPD later pulled everything related to CCW.

Later, I did try to get a copy thru my friend at the Mayor's Office and my City Councilperson.

NOPE, HPD wasn't going to release anything because CCW is NOT issued so no NEED to see test and other info.

What is Needed is to change the law to SHALL ISSUE from MAY Issue.

We Need to convince a handful of legislators on our side to introduce same bills in Senate and House.

Watch Every LE organization in Hawaii show up and Testify Against Shall Issue.

We NEED to fill the hearing room with Pro 2a testimony.  Flood the Fax and Email with Pro Shall Issue testimony.

Even if we don't get it the first time, having 100s of Pro testimony will be noticed.

You want to get their attention, get 200 Women out protesting for Shall Issue in the Capitol Rotunda.

I understand that's how Alaska got theirs.

I like that there is major discussion on the CCW movement. I as many of you believe it is needed in this day and age. More importantly it is stated in our constitution, "the right to bear arms"! I am a first time handgun owner whose permit will be available next week, I can then pick up my G17. Please keep me informed of this movement by PM if that is how it will be shared. I will follow this thread and any other regarding CCW on 2a Hawaii for sure.

Even that is incorrect.

The intruder must actively and violently be forcing his/her way into your home with the intention to violently assault or kill you, and you must not have any other alternative action or route to safety in order to be justified.

And if they can find a way to prove that you had another choice and are therefore in the wrong, you can bet your ass they are going to spend time trying to find you guilty rather than focus on the person invading your home.

That is incorrect. You do not have to retreat in your home or place of business:

§703-304  Use of force in self-protection.  (1)  Subject to the provisions of this section and of section 703-308, the use of force upon or toward another person is justifiable when the actor believes that such force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself against the use of unlawful force by the other person on the present occasion.
     (2)  The use of deadly force is justifiable under this section if the actor believes that deadly force is necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping, rape, or forcible sodomy.
     (3)  Except as otherwise provided in subsections (4) and (5) of this section, a person employing protective force may estimate the necessity thereof under the circumstances as he believes them to be when the force is used without retreating, surrendering possession, doing any other act which he has no legal duty to do, or abstaining from any lawful action.
     (4)  The use of force is not justifiable under this section:
    (a)   To resist an arrest which the actor knows is being made by a law enforcement officer, although the arrest is unlawful; or

    (b)   To resist force used by the occupier or possessor of property or by another person on his behalf, where the actor knows that the person using the force is doing so under a claim of right to protect the property, except that this limitation shall not apply if:

         (i)  The actor is a public officer acting in the performance of his duties or a person lawfully assisting him therein or a person making or assisting in a lawful arrest; or
        (ii)  The actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily injury.
     (5)  The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section if:
    (a)   The actor, with the intent of causing death or serious bodily injury, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or

    (b)   The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that:

         (i)  The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling or place of work, unless he was the initial aggressor or is assailed in his place of work by another person whose place of work the actor knows it to be; and
        (ii)  A public officer justified in using force in the performance of his duties, or a person justified in using force in his assistance or a person justified in using force in making an arrest or preventing an escape, is not obliged to desist from efforts to perform his duty, effect the arrest, or prevent the escape because of resistance or threatened resistance by or on behalf of the person against whom the action is directed.
     (6)  The justification afforded by this section extends to the use of confinement as protective force only if the actor takes all reasonable measures to terminate the confinement as soon as he knows that he safely can, unless the person confined has been arrested on a charge of crime. [L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; ree L 1975, c 163, §3; am L 2001, c 91, §4]

Furthermore, to take advantage of the "Castle Doctrine" law, one does not need to articulate that "[T]he intruder must actively and violently be forcing his/her way into your home with the intention to violently assault or kill you, and you must not have any other alternative action or route to safety in order to be justified."

Here's the statue:

[§663‑1.57]    Owner to felon; limited liability.  (a)  An owner, including but not limited to a public entity, of any estate or any other interest in real property, whether possessory or nonpossessory, or any agent of the owner lawfully on the premises by consent of the owner, shall not be liable to any perpetrator engaged in any of the felonies set forth in subsection (b) for any injury or death to the perpetrator that occurs upon that property during the course of or after the commission of such felony, or when a reasonable person would believe that commission of a felony as set forth in subsection (b) is imminent; provided that if the perpetrator is injured, the perpetrator is charged with the criminal offense and convicted of the criminal offense or of a lesser included felony or misdemeanor.
     (b)  This section applies to the following felonies:
     (1)  Murder in the first or second degree;

     (2)  Attempted murder in the first or second degree;

     (3)  Any class A felony as provided in the Hawaii Penal Code, including any attempt or conspiracy to commit a crime classified as a class A felony;

     (4)  Any class B felony involving violence or physical harm as provided in the Hawaii Penal Code;

     (5)  Any felony punishable by imprisonment for life;

     (6)  Any other felony in which the person inflicts serious bodily injury on another person; and

     (7)  Any felony in which the person personally used a firearm or a dangerous or deadly weapon.

     (c)  The limitation on liability under this section arises:
     (1)  At the moment the perpetrator commences the felony to which this section applies; or

     (2)  At the moment the owner or agent of the owner lawfully on the premises by consent of the owner believes that a commission of a felony under subsection (b) is imminent;

and extends to the moment the perpetrator is no longer upon the property.
     (d)  The limitation on liability under this section applies only when the perpetrator's conduct in furtherance of the commission of a felony specified in subsection (b) proximately or legally causes the injury or death.
     (e)  This section does not limit the liability of an owner that otherwise exists for:
     (1)  Wilful, wanton, or criminal conduct; or

     (2)  Wilful or malicious failure to guard or warn against a dangerous condition, use, or structure; or

     (3)  Injury or death caused to individuals other than the perpetrator of the felony.

     (f)  Except with regard to [subsections] (e)(1) and (e)(3), the limitation of liability under this section shall not be affected by the failure of the owner to warn the perpetrator of the felony that the owner is armed and ready to cause bodily harm or death.
     (g)  For purposes of this section, "owner" means the owner, the occupant, tenant, or anyone authorized to be on the property by the owner or the occupant, including a guest or a family or household member, employee, or agent of the owner lawfully on the premises.
     (h)  The limitation on liability provided by this section shall be in addition to any other available defense. [L 2010, c 97, §1]

Hawaii's Castle Doctrine sucks !

See above post and read the whole thing.  ( the law I mean. )

  of CCW permit initiative.

Hawaii's Castle Doctrine sucks !

See above post and read the whole thing.  ( the law I mean. )

  of CCW permit initiative.

Ain't the best, but more than we had before when you could be held civially liable even if no criminal charges were ever brought against you for the death or injury of the bad guy.....

Back to the topic....For those that have already applied (and maybe I missed this somewhere else...) what's the deal with fingerprints? Does HPD do them when you complete the application? Or do you have to bring them in from somewhere?