I know that there has been some discussion about having lot's of folks apply for a concealed carry permit. I think it's a good one and something HRA is going to support. But, we have to think this through a bit if we hope to be successful.

One of the issues presented by the Chief in the past is that concealed carry isn't a big deal because only a handful of people apply each year and that number is reflected in the annual AG's report. But, we know from Chris Baker's prior attempt at something similar, that the numbers reported didn't quite match the number of permits we know individuals applied for. 

So, while I would really like to see hundreds of people apply for the permits, I also want to make sure that if the AG's report accurately reports those numbers and that we have the data to refute it if it doesn't. So, that's the question, how do we accurately track those submitting requests?

So, I have two requests: Let's figure out how to keep track of those applying and let's make sure that those that have already applied this year are included into that data base.

What say you? 

^^^Good idea I think.

A better idea would be to have a bunch of people take a day off and all apply at the same time.

^^^Good idea I think.

A better idea would be to have a bunch of people take a day off and all apply at the same time.

That might be part of the bigger strategy. For example, once we get our database issues resolved, why not do just that, have a large group descend on the HPD station but invite local news and media outlets to be there as well.......

Maybe you can keep a running spreadsheet that has actual name, member screen name, date applied, date of determination letter, etc? We could advise you and follow up with documents to you SEPCOR via email (i.e. photographed application, scanned determination letter). We could black out all PII so there would not be any personal sensitive info concerns. I would have no issue with sending you the blacked out documents but I don't think having a bunch on applications/letters with PII floating around publicly would be a good idea.

Then you or someone could have a running pinned thread that you or someone updates on the forum as required based on your received data. Wouldn't necessarily have to put a name to the list, just numbers and maybe month and year applied/determination, but you would have the actual names and pertinent info, and 2a forum members would also know how many from the forum actually applied.

Or maybe we could just tell you the date of application and date of determination letter and what their determination was, but that may not provide you the details you would like to track. Also, you wouldn't really know if those actions did occur because you did not see the actual documents, and it may become difficult for you to locate the individual later, and you wouldn't really be able to factually state that as a true, verifiable fact with 100% certainty.

yup
either sticky post here
or a google doc

Maybe you can keep a running spreadsheet that has actual name, member screen name, date applied, date of determination letter, etc? We could advise you and follow up with documents to you SEPCOR via email (i.e. photographed application, scanned determination letter). We could black out all PII so there would not be any personal sensitive info concerns. I would have no issue with sending you the blacked out documents but I don't think having a bunch on applications/letters with PII floating around publicly would be a good idea.

Then you or someone could have a running pinned thread that you or someone updates on the forum as required based on your received data. Wouldn't necessarily have to put a name to the list, just numbers and maybe month and year applied/determination, but you would have the actual names and pertinent info, and 2a forum members would also know how many from the forum actually applied.

Or maybe we could just tell you the date of application and date of determination letter and what their determination was, but that may not provide you the details you would like to track. Also, you wouldn't really know if those actions did occur because you did not see the actual documents, and it may become difficult for you to locate the individual later, and you wouldn't really be able to factually state that as a true, verifiable fact with 100% certainty.

I will re-apply from the big island when you folks do. I will also see if I could get others to apply also.

I am willing to do my part on Maui. I want to apply but I want to research this enough where when I go in and apply I will be taken seriously. Need to know what reasons to state on the application so that MPD Chief Yabuta will acknowledge my application.

I will re-apply from the big island when you folks do. I will also see if I could get others to apply also.

You can try to anyway. I dropped off my application a few weeks ago and have not heard anything. Probably went straight into the shredder 

Pastor Dennis, Mauiblue - Thanks. We'll make sure everybody is in the loop so it can be a statewide effort. Still trying to work out a tracking system but have been too busy to look into it....still trying.

I will monitor this and coincide mine with yours.
Amen

You can try to anyway. I dropped off my application a few weeks ago and have not heard anything. Probably went straight into the shredder 

Same here, still waiting for my "letter of denial" from Chief Kealoha. 

However, as soon as I get that letter or whenever the "tracking & recording" system is setup I'll give the info needed to add me to the roster!! 

Look what came in the mail today!

This is the same exact letter I got the first time too.

Look what came in the mail today!

Definitely unfortuneate that you were denied but at least you did you're part in applying.....great job!! 

What did you put for the reason to have a permit?

What did you put for the reason to have a permit?

I don't remember verbatim but something along the lines of I am a law abiding and responsible citizen and should be allowed a means to self defense outside of the home as guaranteed to me by the 2nd amendment of the united states of america and that I should be able to have the same level of protection as police officers and private armed guards.

HMMMM........I wonder if you get placed on a special roster if you applied for a CCW in Hawaii when it was denied?

HMMMM........I wonder if you get placed on a special roster if you applied for a CCW in Hawaii when it was denied?

Well, several years ago my HPD recruit application got denied. I turned in my CCW app after already doing the written test. Turned in the PQ packet and was waiting for the clarification interview.

On the rejection phone call it was because of "inconsistensies" with my previous PQ packet (which is what the clarification interview is for). In the rejection letter the chief said my type of character was not desired.


Damn right we're on a list.

well if that letter says call the police immediately if our lives or property is being threatened maybe we should call the police every minute of our lives

Well, several years ago my HPD recruit application got denied. I turned in my CCW app after already doing the written test. Turned in the PQ packet and was waiting for the clarification interview.

On the rejection phone call it was because of "inconsistensies" with my previous PQ packet (which is what the clarification interview is for). In the rejection letter the chief said my type of character was not desired.


Damn right we're on a list.

Wow!  I wonder how many people are on that list and if that can be retrieved via FOIA? If so, one could actually see who had submitted for a CCW vs those who say they will and have not submitted for one.  Very interesting!