How would you prep for this? (Read 11808 times)

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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2013, 01:56:54 PM »
By starting my own air conditioning business?  But seriously it means a lifestyle change.  Adapting to even warmer climate and preparing for a huge sea level rise.  Who knows how the weather will react... could mean more hurricanes?  Definitely it would mean greater draught conditions.  Maybe Hawaii really needs to consider a desalination plant in the future.

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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2013, 01:57:38 PM »
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is also a by-product from oxygen-breathing animals.  Plants make food via photosynthesis using CO2, and the by-product is oxygen (O2). 

Seems logical, if we had more plants and fewer animals, the CO2 would decrease and O2 would increase.

Solution:  reduce the animal (and human) population while increasing the plant population.

I didn't say it would be easy!!   :crazy:
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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 08:40:26 AM »
Caron Dioxide (CO2) is also a by-product from oxygen-breathing animals.  Plants make food via photosynthesis using CO2, and the by-product is oxygen (O2). 

Seems logical, if we had more plants and fewer animals, the CO2 would decrease and O2 would increase.

Solution:  reduce the animal (and human) population while increasing the plant population.

I didn't say it would be easy!! 
  :crazy:

Easiest way is to kill and eat all the vegetarians/vegans.

Cougar8045

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 08:45:11 AM »
So CO2 continues to rapidly increase?  That's strange, because the Earth stopped warming almost twenty years ago.
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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 09:38:41 AM »
So CO2 continues to rapidly increase?  That's strange, because the Earth stopped warming almost twenty years ago.

CO2 will increase with the rapid industrialization of China and India, that is not under question, what is in question is global warming.

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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 09:39:14 AM »
Easiest way is to kill and eat all the vegetarians/vegans.

You'd get a bigger bang for your buck killing and eating the carnivores. ;)

So CO2 continues to rapidly increase?  That's strange, because the Earth stopped warming almost twenty years ago.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

http://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/warming_world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Global warming is the rise in the average temperature of Earth's atmosphere and oceans since the late 19th century and its projected continuation. Since the early 20th century, Earth's mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8 °C (1.4 °F), with about two-thirds of the increase occurring since 1980.[2] Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and scientists are more than 90% certain that it is primarily caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.[3][4][5][6] These findings are recognized by the national science academies of all major industrialized nations.[7][A]

Climate model projections were summarized in the 2007 Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). They indicated that during the 21st century the global surface temperature is likely to rise a further 1.1 to 2.9 °C (2 to 5.2 °F) for their lowest emissions scenario and 2.4 to 6.4 °C (4.3 to 11.5 °F) for their highest.[8] The ranges of these estimates arise from the use of models with differing sensitivity to greenhouse gas concentrations.[9][10]

Future warming and related changes will vary from region to region around the globe.[11] The effects of an increase in global temperature include a rise in sea levels and a change in the amount and pattern of precipitation, as well a probable expansion of subtropical deserts.[12] Warming is expected to be strongest in the Arctic and would be associated with the continuing retreat of glaciers, permafrost and sea ice. Other likely effects of the warming include a more frequent occurrence of extreme-weather events including heat waves, droughts and heavy rainfall, ocean acidification and species extinctions due to shifting temperature regimes. Effects significant to humans include the threat to food security from decreasing crop yields and the loss of habitat from inundation.[13][1

GZire

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 09:42:02 AM »
You'd get a bigger bang for your buck killing and eating the carnivores. ;)


My way kills off those that would impact the vegetation of the world................so I would reduce their impact on the items that utilize the CO2 (seaweed, vegetation), reduce them from producing CO2.  The secondary effect is that the meateaters would not feel so guilty and would eat more cows and thus reduce their impact on grasslands and take them out of the CO2 producing equation.  Geez must I explain everything to you?

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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 09:57:27 AM »
Moving to a higher elevation and becoming self-sustainable would be a start!

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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 10:15:00 AM »
Moving to a higher elevation and becoming self-sustainable would be a start!

Higher elevation reduces the protective effects of the atmosphere.  Greater risk of skin cancer, etc.
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Pizzo

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 10:31:13 AM »
Higher elevation reduces the protective effects of the atmosphere.  Greater risk of skin cancer, etc.
One word....sunblock......LoL!!

But in all seriousness, I would take my chances with UV before being flooded by rising ocean levels...just saying.

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Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 10:49:26 AM »
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Easiest way is to kill and eat all the vegetarians/vegans.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Pizzo

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 12:30:57 PM »
The secondary effect is that the meateaters would not feel so guilty and would eat more cows and thus reduce their impact on grasslands and take them out of the CO2 producing equation.
All cows must die!!  ;D

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A cow does on overage release between 70 and 120 kg of Methane per year. Methane is a greenhouse gas like carbon dioxide (CO2). But the negative effect on the climate of Methane is 23 times higher than the effect of CO2. Therefore the release of about 100 kg Methane per year for each cow is equivalent to about 2'300 kg CO2 per year.
Let's compare this value of 2'300 kg CO2: The same amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) is generated by burning 1'000 liters of petrol. With a car using 8 liters of petrol per 100 km, you could drive 12'500 km per year (7'800 miles per year).

World-wide, there are about 1.5 billion cows and bulls. All ruminants (animals which regurgitates food and re-chews it) on the world emit about two billion metric tons of CO2-equivalents per year. In addition, clearing of tropical forests and rain forests to get more grazing land and farm land is responsible for an extra 2.8 billion metric tons of CO2 emission per year!

michalebsdad

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 02:46:04 PM »
All cows must die!!  ;D

I think this information was put out by those sneaky chickens who have been trying to get us to each more beef for a while now...

dirsh

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 07:09:46 PM »
Easiest way is to kill and eat all the vegetarians/vegans.

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Pizzo

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2013, 06:50:47 AM »
As a meatasaurus I approve of this
+1
Fire up the grill!!  :thumbsup:

Pizzo

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2013, 06:53:07 AM »
I think this information was put out by those sneaky chickens who have been trying to get us to each more beef for a while now...
Highly doubtful but definitely a possibilty.....those damn sneaky chickens!!

GZire

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2013, 07:31:04 AM »
Highly doubtful but definitely a possibilty.....those damn sneaky chickens!!



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clshade

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2013, 02:07:27 PM »
Sea level rise is going to take a while. Not much to worry about at the moment but I wouldn't buy oceanfront property anywhere. Its a huge and immediate concern in the Pacific where a number of islands are already gone or uninhabitable because of it, but for us big island folk and mainland folk its going to take a while to have a noticeable affect.

There's good news and bad news on that, too, according to the latest climate modelling - which is getting better each iteration but is hardly perfect. The good news is that the alarming sea level rise predicted several years ago (up to 30 feet) is not accurate: its more like 9 feet. The bad news is that it is probably inevitable. Climate change has been set in motion and our only options at this point are to slow it's progress, slow the pace at which weather events get increasingly severe and prepare for additional emergency costs on a regular basis. And that is what the SCIENTISTS are saying, not the environmentalists.

If you are wondering how this could be true and how the US government could have poopoo'd if for decades you have but to understand 1 thing: NOAA, the government's science arm that is more or less solely responsible for weather and climate records, is under the Department of Commerce.

Yes NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmoshperic Adiminstration, is part of the government's machinery for making sure goods (and money) can keep moving. The movement of goods (and money) these days is facilitated by fossil fuels. We can't be recommending that people use less fossil fuels - that would be very bad for commerce. So the scientists were asked to identify other sources of CO2 and barred from making alarming predictions. I know some of these guys: their blood pressure is very high from watching this happen and not being able to say anything about it for fear of losing their jobs.

Trees and plants consume CO2 during the day but they exhale most of it at night. What they do is store a fair amount of carbon in their bodies. Much of that carbon is released back into the air (and some into the ground, which is good) when the tree dies. Trees sequester carbon by growing and keep it out of the atmosphere for the duration of their lives. Deforestation does 2 things: it reduces the amount of carbon sequestration by turning what was a carbon sink (a forest) into a much lesser one (a farm, usually) and the cut trees are sometimes burned - putting that carbon entirely and immediately back into the atmosphere.

Another major carbon sink is sea life. Most sea life gets the carbon for their bodies from atmospheric CO2 mixed into the water. When they died their bones and shells generally take that carbon the bottom where it stays for a looooong time. Less sea life = less carbon being stored = the oceans are less able to sequester carbon at the same rate they used to.

We have only 1 problem: there are way too many of us to continue living as we are now. The world can sustainably support about 20 billion people living at 3rd world, almost entirely vegetarian, levels. It can support about 2 billion people living at a Western European (NOT American) level of consumption. We're at just over 7 billion now. If they all want to eat steak then we have to have a lot of cows - more cows than there have ever been - and that means more methane production than there has ever been. :shrug: Sooner or later one of those 2 things WILL change: there will either be less people or less of them eating cows. Same for use of wood, fossil fuels, fresh water, etc.

How do you prepare? Not much you can do. Best thing to do is to localize your food, water, and energy production as entirely as you can. If what you need comes from far away then it will eventually become too expensive to get. There are a lot of political and economic pressures against doing that on any meaningful scale, though, so its not likely to happen.

Also prepare for increasing regularity of increasingly severe weather. Dry places are likely to get drier and wet places are likely to get wetter. Here in the tropics things won't get too much warmer - a few degrees on average - but the net effect will likely be more hurricanes and higher winds over all. Temperate climate will have likley experience more extreme swings from hot to cold over the course of the year: hotter, drier summers and more severe winter storms. Community emergency plans should reflect this. And get used to the idea of community emergency plans - they are likely to be very important in our lifetimes.

Jl808

Re: How would you prep for this?
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2013, 03:10:26 PM »
^^^^ Thanks for the explanation, clshade.
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