HPD use of force in question after scuffle leaves man in critical condition (Read 21381 times)

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bass monkey

Saw it on the news. Crazy

Kikaida

So sad.  But he should have just stopped and given up.

ren

the media tries to paint this guy like an angel, but he was found with drugs and stole a car. I think there is more to this story. The sympathy card is the new race card in this age.
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Boomah

the media tries to paint this guy like an angel, but he was found with drugs and stole a car. I think there is more to this story. The sympathy card is the new race card in this age.

+1

xer 21

the media tries to paint this guy like an angel, but he was found with drugs and stole a car. I think there is more to this story. The sympathy card is the new race card in this age.

true, but it doesnt mean that the officers were acting in good judgement either.


we dont really know either side of the story at this point.

another point.  isnt this why they have tasers and stuff?

lasersgoPewPew77

Meh, thieves get no sympathy from me.

zippz

Turn the tables.  Why didn't the she tell him not to steal cars and take drugs?  Why didn't he just raise his hands up and say I surrender?  Things would be much simpler.

Just on the information presented, I'd have to go with the police.  They pass background checks, passed the police academy and recerts, constantly under review.  What credentials does the bad guy have? 

macsak

credentials?
same as all the perps in these situations
"he was such a nice boy, i couldn't imagine him doing anything like this"

Turn the tables.  Why didn't the she tell him not to steal cars and take drugs?  Why didn't he just raise his hands up and say I surrender?  Things would be much simpler.

Just on the information presented, I'd have to go with the police.  They pass background checks, passed the police academy and recerts, constantly under review.  What credentials does the bad guy have?

Colt808

An officers judgement, training, crendentials....blah, blah, blah. Questioning any of that is just B.S.

Bottom line:  INNOCENT people don't run or resist when they see the police.


Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

pj_benn

Cops are all knowing and all powerful.

S7ICKlVlAN

Damn.....Sh*t meet fan.

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What happen to innocent till proven guilty? 

I feel this state is guilty till proven guilty.

I was once in that position.  Accused of something i didnt do or involved with.  Planted evidence. 
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ren

What happen to innocent till proven guilty? 

I feel this state is guilty till proven guilty.

I was once in that position.  Accused of something i didnt do or involved with.  Planted evidence.
He is innocent. He was wanted on a charge of theft, he was to be brought in to face those charges but he RAN and was found to be in possession of drugs. There's levels of force but there is also no guarantee that certain methods will ensure compliance by the suspect. He may have resisted he may have had a medical condition. There's a lot going on in the mind of an officer - his/her own safety, the safety of the suspect and others. Sure someone is innocent; whether they have a knife in their hand or not. The officer has to bring that suspect in to face those charges, given those dangerous conditions - not an easy task. HPD has a volunteer officer program or even a ride-along to see what they have to go through.

Just read that he was taken off life support, sad but we have yet to hear both sides. On Hawaii News Now they have pictures showing the now deceased and his family.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 11:09:41 PM by ren »
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fanboy808

What happen to innocent till proven guilty? 

I feel this state is guilty till proven guilty.

I was once in that position.  Accused of something i didnt do or involved with.  Planted evidence. 

 If hawaii is guilty till proven guilty, then why do we have so many felons with priors running free to do as they please. If anything this state is the most lenient on criminals.

Colt808

What happen to innocent till proven guilty? 
Who said anything about the guy being guilty? Every day, across the country, law enforcement have tens of thousands of encounters with people.  How many run and why? Again....innocent people (those who've done nothing wrong) don't run/resist.

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I feel this state is guilty till proven guilty.

I was once in that position.  Accused of something i didnt do or involved with.  Planted evidence.
That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen in awhile.  Guilty until proven guilty, seriously? If that were the case, people would go straight to prison to serve a sentence until they can prove their innocence at trial. But the last time I checked, people still get their day in court and the state still bears the burden of proof.

But that's how feel...Just a guess, but does it have something to do with a "fight the power" and "f*ck the po-po" mentality that you're known for? Because HPD is rather professional compared to other departments. There are no LAPD style beat downs or NYPD broomstick games. Try living in a place where the people aren't "down with brown" and maybe your opinion would be different.


....And I'll just have to call B.S. on the whole planted evidence thing. I'd believe it if you said whatever it was wasn't yours or that you didn't know it was there, but implying the police planted it?



He is innocent. He was wanted on a charge of theft, he was to be brought in to face those charges but he RAN and was found to be in possession of drugs. There's levels of force but there is also no guarantee that certain methods will ensure compliance by the suspect. He may have resisted he may have had a medical condition. There's a lot going on in the mind of an officer - his/her own safety, the safety of the suspect and others. Sure someone is innocent; whether they have a knife in their hand or not. The officer has to bring that suspect in to face those charges, given those dangerous conditions - not an easy task. HPD has a volunteer officer program or even a ride-along to see what they have to go through.

Just read that he was taken off life support, sad but we have yet to hear both sides. On Hawaii News Now they have pictures showing the now deceased and his family.
A rational and well thought out response. But you just know even if everyone participated in the ride along program, there'd always be some who'd second guess every decision an officer makes.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

xer 21

I'll say it again



we dont really know either side of the story at this point.



and yet people are still picking sides here.

hell, both parties could be wrong.

f8ldzz

No one respects law enforcement anymore, PERIOD.
If an officer tells you to stop - you stop.
If an officer tells you to stop - and you RUN - get ready to get chased down, beat down, handcuffed and ignored even if you're lying in your own pool of blood.
You don't respect the officer and his authority, the officer is going to ignore you, PERIOD.
This isn't even about guilty or not guilty.
"Kids" nowdays...parents no teach their kids about respecting the law.
This is why get too much stupid sh*t.

Just the other day, officer gets "bumped" - guy gets thrown in jail.
This is just no respect.
Is it too much to respect the officer and the law?
Why you gotta dis the cop?
Now who looks stupid and in more trouble?
If this idiot just respected the officer and the law, this would be a non-issue and NOT in the news.

GZire

true, but it doesnt mean that the officers were acting in good judgement either.


we dont really know either side of the story at this point.

another point.  isnt this why they have tasers and stuff?


Dude, Maui is the place to be to get tasered in the State of Hawaii..............the other islands, not so much.

powder monkey

flight or fight..........neither worked