HPD use of force in question after scuffle leaves man in critical condition (Read 21401 times)

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This is totally messed up.

Got some info from someone who was at the scene.

Wrong place wrong time. Bummers.

He came out of the house to see what was going on.
He was on the side of the stolen car when the police showed up.
The police jumped him and threw him on the ground in a choke hold.
Witness said he was cooperating but yelling what did I do?
His face was turning red from the choke hold, so he started gasping for air.
The neighbors were even yelling that's not the guy. Was mass confusion.

OOPSIE!
« Last Edit: June 06, 2013, 01:23:22 PM by SpeedTek »
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This is totally messed up.

Got some info from someone who was at the scene.

Wrong place wrong time. Bummers.

He came out of the house to see what was going on.
He was on the side of the stolen car when the police showed up.
The police jumped him and threw him on the ground in a choke hold.
Witness said he was cooperating but yelling what did I do?
His face was turning red from the choke hold, so he started gasping for air.
The neighbors were even yelling that's not the guy. Was mass confusion.

OOPSIE!

Yet theres other witnesses saying they saw him jump a fence, put down a kid, then jump another fence and start running, while police were yelling at him to stop.

http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8905354/20444792/-/11n9nbs/-/index.html

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Dinnan became unresponsive shortly after he was brought under control, police said.

One thing that does bother me about that "under control" statements is whether they hogtied him... a known dangerous restraint method.  Meaning, people die from it.
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

rookie

bad link
yesterday's article said that the medical examiner saw no "assaultive-type" injuries
i was not aware that assaultive was a word

I wonder if "aussaultive-type" as proof of death, cause pics show he got messed up big time.

Colt808

The bottom line is that we just don't know. There are good cops and bad cops, just like there are good "citizens" and crooks....And guessing, and taking sides based on pure speculation is always problematic....
Yes, there are good and bad people on both sides of the law. But regardless of what anyone pulls up on YouTube (documenting mainland PD)...I stand by my previous statement:
...HPD is rather professional compared to other departments. There are no LAPD style beat downs or NYPD broomstick games.
I'm not saying they're perfect, but the number of substantiated claims against HPD officers for "on-duty" misconduct is almost nonexistent.

Um, I'm not sure if you see how the courts work here, but many times it is guilty until proven guilty lol. People are also proven guilty until innocent in the media (George Zimmerman, Christopher Deedy cases come to mind). 

I've always been open about my run-ins with the law and going with the process so I can assure you that I'm well aware of how the system works.  I speak strictly from personal experience and I can say for a fact that criminal procedures, from arrest to final verdict, works a certain way and that process is basically the same for everyone regardless of true guilt or innocence.  The whole gripe about "guilty until proven innocent" or "guilty until proven guilty" is just a load of bull perpetuated by people who feel slighted a system that they are ignorant of. 

As for Zimmerman and Deedy? I believe they made bad choices, but they'll get their day in court. That's the same as for you, me or anyone else here.  Media/public opinions amount to jack squat in court where it matters becuse the prosecution has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Example: Casey Anthony. The public and media had her branded as a baby killer, but the prosecution failed to prove their case.

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I just had an individual wrongly jailed, whom I was trying to bail out.  He filed an appeal on a misdemeanor charge, but they still incarcerated him.  He was locked up for about seven days out of a 10 day sentence that he likely shouldn't have had to serve anyways.  Do I think they "think you are innocent" no.  Do I think they have some rules to follow or they have to pay a lot of money out, yes.
If the person you were trying to bail out was filing an appeal, that means he went to trial and found guilty. Or is that a mistake and he was doing something else? Because it doesn't make sense, one does not file an appeal during an arraignment/plea hearing...they only hear the charges and enter a plea. And people generally post bail/bond shortly after arrest/booking.  The amount is based on a set schedule for the offense/prior history. Posting bail it's not "paying" to get out, just a deposit for the promise to appear in court. You get it back either when you show up for court (if the judge ROR's you) or at the end of trial. The only time is "costs" would be when one bonds out, then they pay 10-20% of whatever the set bail might be. But that's to the bondsman not the court. It's not semantics...No one pays to get out of jail.

All that aside though...NONE of the process you're describing has anything to do with a perceived guilt or innocence, it's the same for everyone.
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And I still see stupid people.

macsak

there's even more to the story than that
really a confusing incident
truth may or may not come out

This is totally messed up.

Got some info from someone who was at the scene.

Wrong place wrong time. Bummers.

He came out of the house to see what was going on.
He was on the side of the stolen car when the police showed up.
The police jumped him and threw him on the ground in a choke hold.
Witness said he was cooperating but yelling what did I do?
His face was turning red from the choke hold, so he started gasping for air.
The neighbors were even yelling that's not the guy. Was mass confusion.

OOPSIE!

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Yet theres other witnesses saying they saw him jump a fence, put down a kid, then jump another fence and start running, while police were yelling at him to stop.

http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/family-of-stephen-dinnan-believe-police-used-excessive-force/-/8905354/20444792/-/11n9nbs/-/index.html

The guy who witnessed it said the media is confusing everyone! figures

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hillbilly19

We'll probably never know

JGreen

Is it just me or does anyone notice that after something major happens here or after something is sensationalized
On the news, there never seem to be any follow up or updated status on the even in particular? Its like allover the news
And then the story just disapears leaving the public wondering what the outcome was or is. The depth of reporting seems to
Me is very shallow, meaning theres always more to the story but it never seems I on my way sorry i be there soonto be looked into by the media imho
Its like there off to the next thing that will bring in viewership and leaving everyone to speculate instead of getting more info so everyone can have a better understanding
As to how these things can happen. There are many things i dont agree with or approve but i am openminded enough and have enough empathy to see how some of these things can and do happen. Anyhow glad we live in a place where these things can be discussed and posted. Thanks to all past and present that keep it that way. Aloha