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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 09:31:09 AM »
I still think its strange how people hate conservatives......

For the same reason nonbelievers hated Jesus, they hate me......

Why? No reason but sin and temptation that drives our country......

I would never get violent  but, am very capable if push comes to shove......Physically, Mentally and Spiritually :thumbsup:

I try my best in Gods strength to live  righteously........

Weakness is very abundant now when temptation comes a knocking........

We are extremely blessed to see the difference between Conservative  and Liberal  thinking.......

Freedom with Liberals means "I can do whatever I want".....a lot of "I" in there......

We have to continue striving to live correctly, raising our kids with values and goals with an expected end.........

As the government slowly turns this beloved country into a third world country, I will, I will, I WILL

CONTINUE TO LIVE RIGHTEOUS, TEACH MY KIDS TO LIVE RIGHTEOUS, AND SPREAD KNOWLEDGE

ABOUT LIVING THE WAY GOD WANTS US TO LIVE.......if people ask me........ no thumping here, just fishing ;)
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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 09:33:37 AM »
I still think its strange how people hate conservatives......

For the same reason nonbelievers hated Jesus, they hate me......

Why? No reason but sin and temptation that drives our country......

I would never get violent  but, am very capable if push comes to shove......Physically, Mentally and Spiritually :thumbsup:

I try my best in Gods strength to live  righteously........

Weakness is very abundant now when temptation comes a knocking........

We are extremely blessed to see the difference between Conservative  and Liberal  thinking.......

Freedom with Liberals means "I can do whatever I want".....a lot of "I" in there......

We have to continue striving to live correctly, raising our kids with values and goals with an expected end.........

As the government slowly turns this beloved country into a third world country, I will, I will, I WILL

CONTINUE TO LIVE RIGHTEOUS, TEACH MY KIDS TO LIVE RIGHTEOUS, AND SPREAD KNOWLEDGE

ABOUT LIVING THE WAY GOD WANTS US TO LIVE.......if people ask me........ no thumping here, just fishing ;)

Well said my friend, well said!

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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 10:45:36 AM »
I wonder how many people are going to watch it, believe some part of it and go out and buy a gun.

clshade

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 10:59:02 AM »
Oh for crying out loud.

This kind of thing has been on everyone's lips for a while. Don't agree? Then why do you have more ammo than HPD is your closet?  ;D

This isn't (necessarily) an attack on conservatives as much as it is a clever use of current divisive politics for marketing. What would it look like if the SHTF in a semi-controlled way? Its a brilliant movie idea, really.

But to call it an "attack" on the people who are just sayin' "look, we continue in this direction and the S is gonna HTF" is probably overreacting.

My question isn't why do people hate conservatives. Its why do conservatives seem to interpret most everything they don't agree with as an attack on them?

And the current NRA rhetoric is NOT helping matters. More divisive and inflammatory than ever: easy targets. What would you expect?

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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 11:44:18 AM »
Oh for crying out loud.

This kind of thing has been on everyone's lips for a while. Don't agree? Then why do you have more ammo than HPD is your closet?  ;D

This isn't (necessarily) an attack on conservatives as much as it is a clever use of current divisive politics for marketing. What would it look like if the SHTF in a semi-controlled way? Its a brilliant movie idea, really.

But to call it an "attack" on the people who are just sayin' "look, we continue in this direction and the S is gonna HTF" is probably overreacting.

My question isn't why do people hate conservatives. Its why do conservatives seem to interpret most everything they don't agree with as an attack on them?

And the current NRA rhetoric is NOT helping matters. More divisive and inflammatory than ever: easy targets. What would you expect?

clshade, I'm basing this on all the posts I've seen for a few months, not just this one.  You really don't respect the NRA at all, do you?  Every posting that involves the NRA or one of their positions, ad campaigns, or  pretty much anything else they do seems to draw criticism from you in one form or another.

To answer the question, "why do conservatives seem to interpret most everything they don't agree with as an attack on them?"  You assume everyone takes politics and ideological differences personally.  I don't think every disagreement is an attack.  But it doesn't take a genius to see that the anti-gun politicians and public groups DO attack the NRA at every opportunity, vilifying them as a big money, gun industry-backed, greed-driven bunch of men who are peddling death and destruction while hiding behind the second amendment.

The attacks are real, but I don't look at it as a personal attack.  It's just how politicians work.  Like in the Music Man.  Get the locals worked up over a pool hall and then sell them on your "boys band" as the solution to their "problem."
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 12:19:49 PM »

The attacks are real, but I don't look at it as a personal attack.  It's just how politicians work.  Like in the Music Man.  Get the locals worked up over a pool hall and then sell them on your "boys band" as the solution to their "problem."

Thanks, moosed. That actually clarifies what I was asking and helps it make sense.

As for my respect for the NRA.

I'll be clear: I think their public slant since Obama got elected has been increasingly extreme and that they are capitalizing on a shift towards fundamentalism in their base when they don't really have to. Instead they have gone along with it, amplified it and now all pro-gun arguments are painted with the same brush of extreme rhetoric. It serves the purpose well in the short term but is, I think, undermining their (and our) credibility in the long game.

Given that the organization is approaching 150 years old I would have thought the long game would be their focus. As for the long game, I'm well aware that we have 2nd amendment rights at all due to the efforts of the NRA. I was a member for years. It is no longer the organization that I was a member of, no more than Marlin is the same company it was since Remington bought it.

I think that discussion of good, conservative values has been hijacked by the more extreme elements of the Right and it is a damned shame. We NEED conservative voices to be clearly heard in our democratic process. The loudest on the Right, however, are more and more tending towards the fundamental right and the NRA is going the same route. I am afraid - literally afraid - that no good will come of it and that the strongest voice for the 2nd amendment is undermining its own credibility. 

I mean... Ted Nugent? (sigh) Sure, he'll activate the base but he'll drive away everyone else. Eventually the NRA will be left preaching only to the choir in a society that increasingly urban and liberal, with fewer of the hunters and sportsmen who have been the backbone of the NRA since its inception. Drafting Colion Noir was a good move. Urban. Came to firearms as a means of self defense. Articulate. He represents a crossover point where the NRA needs to be on its game: new generations of urban people who support the 2nd amendment as a means of self defense. Hard to do that while wiping the spittle off your mouth raving about the Kenyan, Muslim, Socialist President who is going to disappear the 2nd amendment with a pen stroke any moment.

While those may be valid concerns... harping on them is the WRONG way to garner support from where you need it most: the middle.

The Left understands that the key to winning elections and getting legislation passed isn't activating the Left, it is activating the middle. The Right, it seems, has lost sight of that in the contemplation of its own naval. The NRA should not be a creature of left or right: it should be focused on the 2nd amendment, the truth of the statistics about gun violence and the prevention of it and non-partisan so that it can draw support from right, left and center.

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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 12:40:54 PM »
The NRA should not be a creature of left or right: it should be focused on the 2nd amendment, the truth of the statistics about gun violence and the prevention of it and non-partisan so that it can draw support from right, left and center.

You must be only looking at the NRA from a particular point of view.  The NRA I see grades legislators as pro-second-amendment REGARDLESS of political party affiliation.  If more Republicans/Conservatives get higher marks than the Left, then that's not the NRA's doing.  They are very objective in their rating system.

Also, there are many, many Liberals who believe in gun rights and responsible ownership.  The fact is, the administration and the media are polarizing this nation between Red State/Blue State boundaries.  They are using every political and emotional argument they can.  Gun rights/gun control is just one of many.  Apparently you've bought into the broad brush characterization that the NRA only appeals to, or supports, the Right.  As I see it, they support the Right ... to keep and bear arms.  If that's what you believe, too, then all they ask is you vote for candidates who do the same -- regardless of political party.
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 01:13:10 PM »
Hollywood liberals making an anti-NRA film? Color me shocked.

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 01:29:28 PM »
You must be only looking at the NRA from a particular point of view.  The NRA I see grades legislators as pro-second-amendment REGARDLESS of political party affiliation.  If more Republicans/Conservatives get higher marks than the Left, then that's not the NRA's doing.  They are very objective in their rating system.

Also, there are many, many Liberals who believe in gun rights and responsible ownership.  The fact is, the administration and the media are polarizing this nation between Red State/Blue State boundaries.  They are using every political and emotional argument they can.  Gun rights/gun control is just one of many.  Apparently you've bought into the broad brush characterization that the NRA only appeals to, or supports, the Right.  As I see it, they support the Right ... to keep and bear arms.  If that's what you believe, too, then all they ask is you vote for candidates who do the same -- regardless of political party.

Hold on a sec here. The NRA and the support of the 2nd amendment are NOT the same thing. At all. There are tons of liberals that support the 2nd who are left scratching their heads when the NRA opens its mouth on the national stage. That is what I'm concerned about. The NRA is sliding into being partisan. While that may be part of the tactics of the Left (and a good one, too) the NRA is doing little to actively combat that perceived slide. Their services to members and the voting record stuff is all good. Their leadership's inability to appeal to anything but the believers is not. It makes them easy targets for the Left.

Rule number one? Do no harm to your own cause. The NRA's recent national rhetoric fails this rule with flying colors. In itself that would be excusable as an honest mistake but I don't see them doing anything to change that trajectory. Which makes me think they don't realize it is a mistake.

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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 01:35:45 PM »
has anybody seen this movie? and is it even worth watching?

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 04:50:31 PM »
Hold on a sec here. The NRA and the support of the 2nd amendment are NOT the same thing. At all. There are tons of liberals that support the 2nd who are left scratching their heads when the NRA opens its mouth on the national stage. That is what I'm concerned about. The NRA is sliding into being partisan. While that may be part of the tactics of the Left (and a good one, too) the NRA is doing little to actively combat that perceived slide. Their services to members and the voting record stuff is all good. Their leadership's inability to appeal to anything but the believers is not. It makes them easy targets for the Left.

Rule number one? Do no harm to your own cause. The NRA's recent national rhetoric fails this rule with flying colors. In itself that would be excusable as an honest mistake but I don't see them doing anything to change that trajectory. Which makes me think they don't realize it is a mistake.

Specific examples would be welcome.
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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 05:56:29 PM »
has anybody seen this movie? and is it even worth watching?

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Documentary filmmaker and media critic John Ziegler said regardless of its message, "The Purge" just isn't very good.

"Worse than being an apparent attack on limited government and the Tea Party movement, the plot just seems really stupid, even for Hollywood,” Ziegler said. "If they are going to be so biased they should at least be good."

"The Purge" has drawn mixed reviews, with movie review aggregation site Rotten Tomatoes giving it a middling 53 percent.

The L.A. Times called it an “emptying experiences” of “cheap scares and violent showdowns,” Seattle Times noted that “no real answers” were provided by the filmmaker, and that it was simply a presentation of a “bizarre dystopian future,” while Time Out New York suggested that the film “morphs into a dull version of ‘Straw Dog.’”

However, plenty of other critics have “The Purge” the thumbs up.

Film.com applauded it as a “blunt takedown of 1%-er politics masquerading as a home invasion picture,” the Birmingham Mail called it a “very clever thriller and a thought-provoking social commentary rolled into one,” and the Village Voice observed that the “set-up is arresting, the domestic scenes well observed and acted," and that the “late-film twist isn't a surprise, exactly, but it is delicious.”

Gainor, however, said the movie is just Hollywood's latest attempt at demonizing America.

“Once again Hollywood tries to make money from Americans by bashing America. The entertainment industry loves trying to depict the U.S. as the bad guy. Movies used to show the good things about our nation, now Hollywood execs clearly avoid that whenever possible,” he said. “It’s almost funny that a schlock movie filled with violence is used to criticize Americans for being violent.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/06/07/critics-purge-attack-on-tea-party-nra/?intcmp=features#ixzz2VmYm1A8r
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 06:04:37 PM »

My question isn't why do people hate conservatives. Its why do conservatives seem to interpret most everything they don't agree with as an attack on them?

because it is? :-\  for the same reason liberals think everything they don't agree with as an attack......

Its more an attack on society rather than just a certain group......

Its kinda like you don't think you're getting attacked but you really are?

And when you're unaware of the attack, its worst?

Well its like that because times have changed for the worst... its more fun and easier to follow the flow of the world......

Non conservative people actually don't have to worry anymore though... its not wrong to live wrong these days...... :wacko:

Don't get me wrong, liberal type living is fun but slowly leads to the break down of families and society......  :shaka:

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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 06:10:46 PM »
moosed:

Bruddah Wayne:

“They’re coming after us with a vengeance to destroy us — to destroy us and every ounce of our freedom…we need to meet them head-on,” he said. 

(The problem with that statement, while I agree with it, is that it is soooooo easy to for a liberal to hear "The Liberals" when Wayne says "they.")

Bruddah Porter:

“It was started by some Yankee generals who didn’t like the way my Southern boys had the ability to shoot in what we call the War of Northern Aggression. Now, y’all might call it the Civil War, but we call it the War of Northern Aggression down South.”

(Boo, that statement has no place coming out of the mouth of a mouthpiece of the NRA. Waaay too easy to attack.)

Bruddah Wayne, again:

“Meanwhile, President Obama is leading this country to financial ruin, borrowing over a trillion dollars a year for phony “stimulus” spending and other payoffs for his political cronies. Nobody knows if or when the fiscal collapse will come, but if the country is broke, there likely won’t be enough money to pay for police protection. And the American people know it.”

(While I don't disagree... this is clearly a partisan statement and is certainly going to alienate people who don't agree but DO support the 2nd amendment.)

and

“We [the NRA] are the largest civil rights organization in the world.”

(Yup. While true in its way, try selling that to people who are on the fence about whether guns make you safer or less safe.)

and

"“There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people."

(Sure. And the middle doesn't know or want to know that and will write you off as a fringe conspiracy lunatic for saying it. Or, worse, they think that IS the firearms industry. THINK before you speak!)

From the NRA website:

http://www.meetthenra.org/nra-member/ted%20nugent

(Huge. Mistake. Ted has waaaaaay too many character weaknesses and horrible choices of words already on record to do much other than damage the NRA's chances of looking reasonable in the eyes of the middle.)

and right there on that page about Uncle Ted:

“If ever there was an ounce of truth that came out of Barack Obama’s mouth, he would be great speaker, but—much like Hitler—if you lie and you scam I’m afraid I can’t give you much credit for being a good anything.”

(Nice. Certainly not a partisan statement at all, right? Just simple truth, of course. Nothing divisive at all about equating Obama with Hitler... Why on earth would the NRA website chose this statement to highlight?!)

From the same page:

“I know that if you believe animals have rights, I promise I will kill an extra hundred just for you."

(But really, we're not violent, unreasonable people like you think we are. No, really.)

Back to Bruudah Porter and his NRA page:

Tracing the history of the NRA, Porter added, “You know, the NRA was just a glorified shooting club up until about 1968. At that time, Thomas Dodd, father of Chris Dodd, was a Senator, and Stuart Symington, and some other Senators, got together and they tried to ban all firearm ownership. And we were able to craft a compromise.” The legislation to which Porter is referring to, the Gun Control Act of 1968, never included any provision to ban firearm ownership.

(I added the italics. WHY did the NRA include this quote and then immediately explain that the man who said it, the current NRA President, was full of crap? Especially when the liberals insist -correctly- that no one is going to take the guns away?)

Yet more from Porter:

“I get so sick and tired of all these people with this fake president that we got who wants to say, ‘Well, you know he hadn’t done anything bad for gun owners.’ I say, let me tell you something bad that he’s done. His entire administration is anti-gun, anti-freedom, anti-Second Amendment.”

(Fake president? Explain to me how this doesn't make the NRA look distinctly partisan.)

and yet more....

 “Right in the United Nations today, they have an initiative that would make it illegal for individuals all over the world to own firearms. And that’s what they’re passing. And that’s what this administration is supporting.” In truth, the U.N. Small Arms Treaty to which Porter is referring would set only international standards for the export of conventional weapons—leaving domestic laws regulating the possession of firearms untouched.

(Another "Sorry, our President is full of sh!t" moment. I get that the NRA is clarifying on their web page about him... but it should never have been said in the first place.)

I could go on.

We tend not to see these statements as problems because even if we don't fully agree with them we don't mind them and understand the context they are coming. But all a leftist reporter has to do to find PLENTY of anti-NRA ammo is do exactly what I did: google "stupid NRA quotes" and go to the NRA page itself. From the point of view of someone on the left, or in the middle, who doesn't understand or agree with the context... the collected statements above can easily paint the NRA as closer to the extreme side of the Right and not interested in being reasonable.

That's what I mean by "do no harm" and how they are failing miserably to avoid doing harm. They clearly do NOT understand the world of politics and how closely you have to guard what you say and control your message. Either that or their message IS distinctly tea flavored. The left, as it would, easily assumes the latter. So does the center.

This is horrible political "performance" for what is supposed to be the most powerful "gun lobby."

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Re: new movie "the purge"- anti-nra anti-tea party?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 06:16:01 PM »
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From the NRA website:

http://www.meetthenra.org/nra-member/ted%20nugent

Before I get lost in all the copy/paste of your reply, you might want to re-visit that link and look at the bottom.  NRA Website?  BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

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 It is in no way affiliated with the National Rifle Association (NRA) or any other organization.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 06:20:30 PM »
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They clearly do NOT understand the world of politics and how closely you have to guard what you say and control your message.

You can say this with a straight face, when the NRA is one of the largest  AND MOST SUCCESSFUL government  lobbying groups at every level -- local, state and federal -- that has ever existed?
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2013, 06:24:21 PM »
You can say this with a straight face, when the NRA is one of the largest  AND MOST SUCCESSFUL government  lobbying groups at every level -- local, state and federal -- that has ever existed?

I won't say they don't understand politics, but I will say they do seem to have bad choices, painting themselves as loony gun nuts.  This is just my personal opinion.
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 06:27:49 PM »
because it is? :-\  for the same reason liberals think everything they don't agree with as an attack......

Its more an attack on society rather than just a certain group......

Didn't want to let this slip by - Thanks for the response BC. That also helps it make more sense to me.

Both sides do see it as an attack on society.

The left focuses on its humanitarian side and thinks "We just want to help people and make sure everyone has a chance at life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why are they so mean?" (Bad side: and, hell, lets let gay people get married! Why not? Those old values are irrelevant!)
The right focuses on its conservative, stability oriented side and thinks "We know this works, it has since the founding of the country. Why do they insist on messing it up just for the fun of it?" (Bad side: and, heck, lets think about prosecuting miscarriages as murder because life begins at conception!)

Neither is entirely correct nor entirely incorrect. (Nor are my flippant statements meant to be definitive.) But I see how everyone feels misunderstood and attacked.

What if "society" was actually far more resilient and adaptable than we think it is and the "decline" we all see is caused by something other than our misguided political opponents?

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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2013, 06:30:28 PM »
Before I get lost in all the copy/paste of your reply, you might want to re-visit that link and look at the bottom.  NRA Website?  BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

No worries, moosed.

My bad for the specifics and sloppy google work... the point doesn't change much, however, does it?