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« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2013, 08:36:38 PM »
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ImKu

Great pictures Jl808. yes we don't need to fight for anyone, especially when later down the line they'll use the same weapons that the US suppled on our troops....

No.  Not great, but fake.  With that said, if you join the military and you really have that serious of an issue where your beliefs conflicts with your orders... just tap out and GTFO.  Most, not all, but most guys that bitch all the time about the being in the military fuckin re-enlist. 
If this was real, well what they would be doing is unlawful under the UCMJ. You give up certain rights when you join, one being protesting in uniform.  Sure, active duty member are entitled to opinions.  We have debates all the time in the workplace and bitch about all kinds of shit.  You just can not share your opinions in a way that can be construed as representing the interests/non-interests of the military in the media or to the public in general.  MY .02 (rant off)

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) - Article 92 - failure to obey an order could result in being court-martialed.

Any person subject to this chapter who–

(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;

(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or

(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;

shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/syrian-electronic-armys-proudest-hacking-moments/story?id=20153192
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408854/Syria-crisis-I-didnt-join-Navy-fight-al-Qaeda-Syrian-civil-war-photo-goes-viral.html
http://rt.com/usa/fbi-adds-sea-wanted-list-484/



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No.  Not great, but fake.  With that said, if you join the military and you really have that serious of an issue where your beliefs conflicts with your orders... just tap out and GTFO.  Most, not all, but most guys that bitch all the time about the being in the military fuckin re-enlist. 
If this was real, well what they would be doing is unlawful under the UCMJ. You give up certain rights when you join, one being protesting in uniform.  Sure, active duty member are entitled to opinions.  We have debates all the time in the workplace and bitch about all kinds of shit.  You just can not share your opinions in a way that can be construed as representing the interests/non-interests of the military in the media or to the public in general.  MY .02 (rant off)

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) - Article 92 - failure to obey an order could result in being court-martialed.

Any person subject to this chapter who–

(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;

(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or

(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;

shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/syrian-electronic-armys-proudest-hacking-moments/story?id=20153192
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408854/Syria-crisis-I-didnt-join-Navy-fight-al-Qaeda-Syrian-civil-war-photo-goes-viral.html
http://rt.com/usa/fbi-adds-sea-wanted-list-484/
thats why I'm not in the military, I can't really follow orders that well.....
2, 3, 2, pivot out 1, 2, round house!  1 down 1 round!

ImKu

thats why I'm not in the military, I can't really follow orders that well.....

My rant is not directed at you brother, but instead my dislike for what those pictures represent.
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My rant is not directed at you brother, but instead my dislike for what those pictures represent.
it's cool brother lmku, I understand that in order is an order. I give you guys major props for that. My bros are all Marines so I sort of and kind of know what you guys have to deal with. They tell me crazy things every time I see them. :shaka:

Thanks for the post though. That's pretty interesting. I'm learning new things everyday on here :shaka:
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ImKu


And technically, their oath of enlistment places their allegiance to the constitution and the United States over the orders of their superior officers. If congress says no, and they still send guys, they are fully within the confines of their position to refuse that order, as it can and would be deemed unlawful. Of course, they would get arrested; but I've seen guys do a lot worse than refuse to fight and win their case because they refused what was later deemed to be an unlawful order.

But you are right with the whiny bitches; they reenlist, which makes the good guys not want to reenlist, and eventually you have an army of whiny, shit for brains soldiers.

This is a popular one to debate and usually, like how you concluded, we came to the same conclusion that the person would be held responsible for not following the order.  The latest debate is if congress/house does not give the go, will the POTUS still go forward with his plan.

it's cool brother lmku, I understand that in order is an order. I give you guys major props for that. My bros are all Marines so I sort of and kind of know what you guys have to deal with. They tell me crazy things every time I see them. :shaka:
Thanks for the post though. That's pretty interesting. I'm learning new things everyday on here :shaka:
Me and you both.  :shaka:
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« Last Edit: August 22, 2016, 08:35:21 PM by new guy »
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Bunker

Which side exactly are we helping in Syria?




My two cents…Syria is a bad situation but these fuck-sticks don’t get to decide policy or what conflicts they deem appropriate to fight in. They are a disgrace to the uniform and don’t deserve to wear it, and should be strung up by their nuts and Court Martialed. Call me old school but they volunteered, so next time read the fine print assholes. Enlisting in the military is a huge commitment and you better think it through…there are no redos or “I want out or I want to protest because I think it’s a bad cause”. You stupid fucks don’t get to decide what you want to do…once you enlist, the military/government owns your sorry ass…you are now government property for them to use as they see fit. No mommy to tuck you in at night or comfort you when you have a tummy ache. There are many people who had no choice that were drafted to go to a shithole called Vietnam to fight a war that wasn’t winnable. A war dictated by politicians in their nice cozy offices in Washington and not by military leaders in an effort to stop the spread of Communism. Many didn’t make it home and many of the ones that did are scarred for life, both physically and mentally, not to mention people treated them like shit when they returned, as if they decided or wanted to go to Vietnam. I have no sympathy for these candy-asses..as far as I’m concerned they’re a disgrace. I know, there are some who will disagree and sympathize with these two shitbags, and start quoting legal this and that...it's my opinion.

IMO today's military is a joke compared to 30 or more years ago and I'm not talking about capabilities or the majority of our dedicated men and women. I'm talking about the new pussified, political correct, non-disciplined, lack of respect, whining servicemen/women, etc. Not to mention the yoyos that provide classified information publically to the media or to our enemies. Can't say this or do that because it may offend or humiliate someone. Can't do this physical training/exercise (in most cases) because it's not humane (e.g., log PT, dying cockroach, etc, etc). Can't deprive soldiers of this or that or train this way or that way because it's deemed cruel…give me a break, do you want warfighters or pussies. Can't degrade; slap someone upside the head, or cuz at trainees. WTF…I could go on and on. They care more about quality of life than combat readiness and discipline. When I was in the Army you did what you were told by superiors whether you liked it or not, and never even thought of publically voicing displeasure about policy, our nation, our president or the military, plus you showed proper respect at all times. Back then, the military produced disciplined fighting men out of boys from all walks of life, willing to defend our liberties and freedoms, and willing to die for our country. Notice you don't generally hear veterans from Vietnam or earlier bitching about what they endured but a lot of them have been to hell and back. Most are extremely humble with a sense of dignity and love of country, not to mention their pay was extremely low relative to the civilian population. Again, referring to the military structure and policies, not personnel. I'm sure someone could find the exception and dig up some shitbags from that era, but generally it's true.

Today we have an all-voluntary force; no one is being drafted. So, if you don't like it, get the hell out when your enlistment is over or grow a set of balls, shut the fuck up and fulfill your obligation to the U.S. Armed Services. The majority of current military have had an opportunity to get out since Obama became president and since reelected but they choose to stay in, so deal with it. Doesn't take rocket science to see how POTUS operates, plus the majority of the "New" Congress hasn't even served in the military, so it is what it is. Now the career military personnel that are caught in the middle of this cluster-fuck, who are doing multiple back-to-back deployments and dealing with a lot of BS are just SOL and doing their 20 but probably aren’t too happy. However, I don’t believe those are the ones whining about everything or at least I don’t see it from my position.

What about women in the military and some wanting to be in combat units.  Women in combat, and I speak of direct combat units, are a joke and has nothing but potential bad outcomes but everyone is too worried about equal rights and all the BS. Then you have women getting pregnant throughout the military and guess what, they end up on limited duty and often units don't get a replacement, hence, NCO's or others are taking up the slack in addition to their assigned duties, not mention the potential impact to readiness. Then of course, we have open gays in the military and all those wonderful dynamics.   

Nowadays there is all kinds of sensitivity training conducted and on and on. It's the new politically correct military and DoD, just like society. Oh and look at our impotent CIA…they can’t do anything in secrecy anymore and so much for good old fashion spying and clandestine operations…those days are gone. Things have dramatically changed over the last several decades and IMO for the worst, all the while the country is going down the shitter but hey, that’s ok. Does anyone really think our nation is better off now than a few decades ago, I don't.

One last thing since I'm on a rant...people who haven't been there and done that can have an opinion, which is fine, but they can't even began to imagine some of the horrific things our combat military personnel have been through and the hardships and sacrifices they have made for the freedoms enjoyed by all. Some have been to places where the best you can hope for is not getting killed on a day-by-day basis, and praying you make it home in one piece. I just hate when someone talks shit about the military but in reality hasn't a clue but very quick to cast judgment. Hopefully I didn’t offend anyone but if I did Gongho will probably make a poll.

macsak

don't hold it in, bunker
you should let your feelings known
keeping it in like that can be dangerous
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all joking aside, i agree with what you are saying, although i have no direct experience

My two cents…Syria is a bad situation but these fuck-sticks don’t get to decide policy or what conflicts they deem appropriate to fight in. They are a disgrace to the uniform and don’t deserve to wear it, and should be strung up by their nuts and Court Martialed. Call me old school but they volunteered, so next time read the fine print assholes. Enlisting in the military is a huge commitment and you better think it through…there are no redos or “I want out or I want to protest because I think it’s a bad cause”. You stupid fucks don’t get to decide what you want to do…once you enlist, the military/government owns your sorry ass…you are now government property for them to use as they see fit. No mommy to tuck you in at night or comfort you when you have a tummy ache. There are many people who had no choice that were drafted to go to a shithole called Vietnam to fight a war that wasn’t winnable. A war dictated by politicians in their nice cozy offices in Washington and not by military leaders in an effort to stop the spread of Communism. Many didn’t make it home and many of the ones that did are scarred for life, both physically and mentally, not to mention people treated them like shit when they returned, as if they decided or wanted to go to Vietnam. I have no sympathy for these candy-asses..as far as I’m concerned they’re a disgrace. I know, there are some who will disagree and sympathize with these two shitbags, and start quoting legal this and that...it's my opinion.

IMO today's military is a joke compared to 30 or more years ago and I'm not talking about capabilities or the majority of our dedicated men and women. I'm talking about the new pussified, political correct, non-disciplined, lack of respect, whining servicemen/women, etc. Not to mention the yoyos that provide classified information publically to the media or to our enemies. Can't say this or do that because it may offend or humiliate someone. Can't do this physical training/exercise (in most cases) because it's not humane (e.g., log PT, dying cockroach, etc, etc). Can't deprive soldiers of this or that or train this way or that way because it's deemed cruel…give me a break, do you want warfighters or pussies. Can't degrade; slap someone upside the head, or cuz at trainees. WTF…I could go on and on. They care more about quality of life than combat readiness and discipline. When I was in the Army you did what you were told by superiors whether you liked it or not, and never even thought of publically voicing displeasure about policy, our nation, our president or the military, plus you showed proper respect at all times. Back then, the military produced disciplined fighting men out of boys from all walks of life, willing to defend our liberties and freedoms, and willing to die for our country. Notice you don't generally hear veterans from Vietnam or earlier bitching about what they endured but a lot of them have been to hell and back. Most are extremely humble with a sense of dignity and love of country, not to mention their pay was extremely low relative to the civilian population. Again, referring to the military structure and policies, not personnel. I'm sure someone could find the exception and dig up some shitbags from that era, but generally it's true.

Today we have an all-voluntary force; no one is being drafted. So, if you don't like it, get the hell out when your enlistment is over or grow a set of balls, shut the fuck up and fulfill your obligation to the U.S. Armed Services. The majority of current military have had an opportunity to get out since Obama became president and since reelected but they choose to stay in, so deal with it. Doesn't take rocket science to see how POTUS operates, plus the majority of the "New" Congress hasn't even served in the military, so it is what it is. Now the career military personnel that are caught in the middle of this cluster-fuck, who are doing multiple back-to-back deployments and dealing with a lot of BS are just SOL and doing their 20 but probably aren’t too happy. However, I don’t believe those are the ones whining about everything or at least I don’t see it from my position.

What about women in the military and some wanting to be in combat units.  Women in combat, and I speak of direct combat units, are a joke and has nothing but potential bad outcomes but everyone is too worried about equal rights and all the BS. Then you have women getting pregnant throughout the military and guess what, they end up on limited duty and often units don't get a replacement, hence, NCO's or others are taking up the slack in addition to their assigned duties, not mention the potential impact to readiness. Then of course, we have open gays in the military and all those wonderful dynamics.   

Nowadays there is all kinds of sensitivity training conducted and on and on. It's the new politically correct military and DoD, just like society. Oh and look at our impotent CIA…they can’t do anything in secrecy anymore and so much for good old fashion spying and clandestine operations…those days are gone. Things have dramatically changed over the last several decades and IMO for the worst, all the while the country is going down the shitter but hey, that’s ok. Does anyone really think our nation is better off now than a few decades ago, I don't.

One last thing since I'm on a rant...people who haven't been there and done that can have an opinion, which is fine, but they can't even began to imagine some of the horrific things our combat military personnel have been through and the hardships and sacrifices they have made for the freedoms enjoyed by all. Some have been to places where the best you can hope for is not getting killed on a day-by-day basis, and praying you make it home in one piece. I just hate when someone talks shit about the military but in reality hasn't a clue but very quick to cast judgment. Hopefully I didn’t offend anyone but if I did Gongho will probably make a poll.

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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2013, 08:16:12 PM »
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« Last Edit: September 25, 2016, 09:07:19 PM by Q »

Jl808

My two cents…Syria is a bad situation but these fuck-sticks don’t get to decide policy or what conflicts they deem appropriate to fight in. They are a disgrace to the uniform and don’t deserve to wear it, and should be strung up by their nuts and Court Martialed. Call me old school but they volunteered, so next time read the fine print assholes. Enlisting in the military is a huge commitment and you better think it through…there are no redos or “I want out or I want to protest because I think it’s a bad cause”. You stupid fucks don’t get to decide what you want to do…once you enlist, the military/government owns your sorry ass…you are now government property for them to use as they see fit. No mommy to tuck you in at night or comfort you when you have a tummy ache. There are many people who had no choice that were drafted to go to a shithole called Vietnam to fight a war that wasn’t winnable. A war dictated by politicians in their nice cozy offices in Washington and not by military leaders in an effort to stop the spread of Communism. Many didn’t make it home and many of the ones that did are scarred for life, both physically and mentally, not to mention people treated them like shit when they returned, as if they decided or wanted to go to Vietnam. I have no sympathy for these candy-asses..as far as I’m concerned they’re a disgrace. I know, there are some who will disagree and sympathize with these two shitbags, and start quoting legal this and that...it's my opinion.

IMO today's military is a joke compared to 30 or more years ago and I'm not talking about capabilities or the majority of our dedicated men and women. I'm talking about the new pussified, political correct, non-disciplined, lack of respect, whining servicemen/women, etc. Not to mention the yoyos that provide classified information publically to the media or to our enemies. Can't say this or do that because it may offend or humiliate someone. Can't do this physical training/exercise (in most cases) because it's not humane (e.g., log PT, dying cockroach, etc, etc). Can't deprive soldiers of this or that or train this way or that way because it's deemed cruel…give me a break, do you want warfighters or pussies. Can't degrade; slap someone upside the head, or cuz at trainees. WTF…I could go on and on. They care more about quality of life than combat readiness and discipline. When I was in the Army you did what you were told by superiors whether you liked it or not, and never even thought of publically voicing displeasure about policy, our nation, our president or the military, plus you showed proper respect at all times. Back then, the military produced disciplined fighting men out of boys from all walks of life, willing to defend our liberties and freedoms, and willing to die for our country. Notice you don't generally hear veterans from Vietnam or earlier bitching about what they endured but a lot of them have been to hell and back. Most are extremely humble with a sense of dignity and love of country, not to mention their pay was extremely low relative to the civilian population. Again, referring to the military structure and policies, not personnel. I'm sure someone could find the exception and dig up some shitbags from that era, but generally it's true.

Today we have an all-voluntary force; no one is being drafted. So, if you don't like it, get the hell out when your enlistment is over or grow a set of balls, shut the fuck up and fulfill your obligation to the U.S. Armed Services. The majority of current military have had an opportunity to get out since Obama became president and since reelected but they choose to stay in, so deal with it. Doesn't take rocket science to see how POTUS operates, plus the majority of the "New" Congress hasn't even served in the military, so it is what it is. Now the career military personnel that are caught in the middle of this cluster-fuck, who are doing multiple back-to-back deployments and dealing with a lot of BS are just SOL and doing their 20 but probably aren’t too happy. However, I don’t believe those are the ones whining about everything or at least I don’t see it from my position.

What about women in the military and some wanting to be in combat units.  Women in combat, and I speak of direct combat units, are a joke and has nothing but potential bad outcomes but everyone is too worried about equal rights and all the BS. Then you have women getting pregnant throughout the military and guess what, they end up on limited duty and often units don't get a replacement, hence, NCO's or others are taking up the slack in addition to their assigned duties, not mention the potential impact to readiness. Then of course, we have open gays in the military and all those wonderful dynamics.   

Nowadays there is all kinds of sensitivity training conducted and on and on. It's the new politically correct military and DoD, just like society. Oh and look at our impotent CIA…they can’t do anything in secrecy anymore and so much for good old fashion spying and clandestine operations…those days are gone. Things have dramatically changed over the last several decades and IMO for the worst, all the while the country is going down the shitter but hey, that’s ok. Does anyone really think our nation is better off now than a few decades ago, I don't.

One last thing since I'm on a rant...people who haven't been there and done that can have an opinion, which is fine, but they can't even began to imagine some of the horrific things our combat military personnel have been through and the hardships and sacrifices they have made for the freedoms enjoyed by all. Some have been to places where the best you can hope for is not getting killed on a day-by-day basis, and praying you make it home in one piece. I just hate when someone talks shit about the military but in reality hasn't a clue but very quick to cast judgment. Hopefully I didn’t offend anyone but if I did Gongho will probably make a poll.

Thanks for the rant, Bunker.  Very good points made.  I learned something from that, so thank you!

I am civilian and have much respect for the folks in uniform.  I've had the privilege to get on the ships and talk with the guys and am not about to judge those in the military that oppose attacking Syria whether they are right or wrong.  But you've made some very good points and yes, a soldier that does not follow orders in war or release classified information may possibly get themselves or worse, their compatriots killed.  So, the frustration by those that serve towards the guys that made those pics are understandable.

Now as a civilian, I do wonder though, what exactly are our leaders hoping to achieve by helping the rebels in Syria whom al-Qaeda support?  Does it make sense to militarily help enemies who have actually attacked us?  For those military guys who are doing the actual fighting, How strange that must be to fight al-Qaeda in Afghanistan but then try to help them in Syria.  I would be baffled and upset at those policy makers too if I were in their shoes, but that's probably why I am a civilian.

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ImKu

My two cents…Syria is a bad situation but these fuck-sticks don’t get to decide policy or what conflicts they deem appropriate to fight in. They are a disgrace to the uniform and don’t deserve to wear it, and should be strung up by their nuts and Court Martialed. Call me old school but they volunteered, so next time read the fine print assholes. Enlisting in the military is a huge commitment and you better think it through…there are no redos or “I want out or I want to protest because I think it’s a bad cause”. You stupid fucks don’t get to decide what you want to do…once you enlist, the military/government owns your sorry ass…you are now government property for them to use as they see fit. No mommy to tuck you in at night or comfort you when you have a tummy ache. There are many people who had no choice that were drafted to go to a shithole called Vietnam to fight a war that wasn’t winnable. A war dictated by politicians in their nice cozy offices in Washington and not by military leaders in an effort to stop the spread of Communism. Many didn’t make it home and many of the ones that did are scarred for life, both physically and mentally, not to mention people treated them like shit when they returned, as if they decided or wanted to go to Vietnam. I have no sympathy for these candy-asses..as far as I’m concerned they’re a disgrace. I know, there are some who will disagree and sympathize with these two shitbags, and start quoting legal this and that...it's my opinion.

-Not sure if you seen my response earlier, but these pictures are deemed fake.  When these pictures originally came out in social media, I had a similar initial reaction.  Especially due to the rank some of them held.
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/syrian-electronic-armys-proudest-hacking-moments/story?id=20153192
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408854/Syria-crisis-I-didnt-join-Navy-fight-al-Qaeda-Syrian-civil-war-photo-goes-viral.html
http://rt.com/usa/fbi-adds-sea-wanted-list-484/


IMO today's military is a joke compared to 30 or more years ago and I'm not talking about capabilities or the majority of our dedicated men and women. I'm talking about the new pussified, political correct, non-disciplined, lack of respect, whining servicemen/women, etc. Not to mention the yoyos that provide classified information publically to the media or to our enemies. Can't say this or do that because it may offend or humiliate someone. Can't do this physical training/exercise (in most cases) because it's not humane (e.g., log PT, dying cockroach, etc, etc). Can't deprive soldiers of this or that or train this way or that way because it's deemed cruel…give me a break, do you want warfighters or pussies. Can't degrade; slap someone upside the head, or cuz at trainees. WTF…I could go on and on. They care more about quality of life than combat readiness and discipline. When I was in the Army you did what you were told by superiors whether you liked it or not, and never even thought of publically voicing displeasure about policy, our nation, our president or the military, plus you showed proper respect at all times. Back then, the military produced disciplined fighting men out of boys from all walks of life, willing to defend our liberties and freedoms, and willing to die for our country. Notice you don't generally hear veterans from Vietnam or earlier bitching about what they endured but a lot of them have been to hell and back. Most are extremely humble with a sense of dignity and love of country, not to mention their pay was extremely low relative to the civilian population. Again, referring to the military structure and policies, not personnel. I'm sure someone could find the exception and dig up some shitbags from that era, but generally it's true.

- I personally think this has a direct correlation to the training and standards that the supervisory elements are asking of subordinants nowadays.  I swear that the shit filter is broken(bootcamp and training facilities).  You see guys reporting to a command and your like how the fuck did they let you get this far? 

Today we have an all-voluntary force; no one is being drafted. So, if you don't like it, get the hell out when your enlistment is over or grow a set of balls, shut the fuck up and fulfill your obligation to the U.S. Armed Services. The majority of current military have had an opportunity to get out since Obama became president and since reelected but they choose to stay in, so deal with it. Doesn't take rocket science to see how POTUS operates, plus the majority of the "New" Congress hasn't even served in the military, so it is what it is. Now the career military personnel that are caught in the middle of this cluster-fuck, who are doing multiple back-to-back deployments and dealing with a lot of BS are just SOL and doing their 20 but probably aren’t too happy. However, I don’t believe those are the ones whining about everything or at least I don’t see it from my position.

+1   :thumbsup:

Nowadays there is all kinds of sensitivity training conducted and on and on. It's the new politically correct military and DoD, just like society. Oh and look at our impotent CIA…they can’t do anything in secrecy anymore and so much for good old fashion spying and clandestine operations…those days are gone. Things have dramatically changed over the last several decades and IMO for the worst, all the while the country is going down the shitter but hey, that’s ok. Does anyone really think our nation is better off now than a few decades ago, I don't.

If you've been out for awhile, it's.... changed.  What kills me is that the training usually isn't even provided in a manner that helps anyone.  It is more of a catch all, check in the box, and a requirement to cover there own ass.  So, down the line if something happens they can be like we trained them xxx amount of times and they know what is expected of them.  Like someone needs to fucking tell me that sexual assault is wrong and if you do it you will be held accountable... no shit. 
The mind acts like an enemy for those who do not control it.
- Bhagavad Gita

Bunker


Thanks...good to see their fake. Just conducted all the sexual harassment training for my folks...didn't even want to go there, in fact deleted it, but yeah I'm with you.

Bunker

Thanks for the rant, Bunker.  Very good points made.  I learned something from that, so thank you!

I am civilian and have much respect for the folks in uniform.  I've had the privilege to get on the ships and talk with the guys and am not about to judge those in the military that oppose attacking Syria whether they are right or wrong.  But you've made some very good points and yes, a soldier that does not follow orders in war or release classified information may possibly get themselves or worse, their compatriots killed.  So, the frustration by those that serve towards the guys that made those pics are understandable.

Now as a civilian, I do wonder though, what exactly are our leaders hoping to achieve by helping the rebels in Syria whom al-Qaeda support?  Does it make sense to militarily help enemies who have actually attacked us?  For those military guys who are doing the actual fighting, How strange that must be to fight al-Qaeda in Afghanistan but then try to help them in Syria.  I would be baffled and upset at those policy makers too if I were in their shoes, but that's probably why I am a civilian.
I agree Syria is a bad situation for sure and our fearless leader stuck his big panty-ass foot in his mouth with that RED LINE stuff. Interesting how we provided billions of dollars in aid and training to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to fight the Russians years ago and all this shit started and here we are again full circle. It’s pitiful!
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Gabbard joins Schatz, Hanabusa in opposition to Syria strike

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On Monday, Gabbard said she was "sickened and outrage" by the use of chemical weapons in Syria but that the country was not a direct security threat to the United States, adding that she did not believe a military strike would prevent chemical weapons from being used again by the Syrian government.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/23379068/gabbard-joins-schatz-hanabusa-in-opposition-to-syria-strike

So, where is our "Senior Senator," Mazie Hirono?

Oh, yeah!  She campaigned on a one-plank platform:  "I'm going to Washington to support President Obama!"

Let's see how long she holds out ...
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

macsak

well, schatz was handed his seat by abercrombie and o'bama, and he's against the strikes
and he was the first one to speak out
i still cannot believe he's not falling in line

Gabbard joins Schatz, Hanabusa in opposition to Syria strike

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/23379068/gabbard-joins-schatz-hanabusa-in-opposition-to-syria-strike

So, where is our "Senior Senator," Mazie Hirono?

Oh, yeah!  She campaigned on a one-plank platform:  "I'm going to Washington to support President Obama!"

Let's see how long she holds out ...

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

It's official!  Mazie Hirono unable to make the tough choices based on the available information, even though our other 3 Hawaii reps have already done so.

Senator Mazie Hirono says she is still undecided about how she will vote when asked to authorize an attack on Syria.

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This is one of the toughest decisions a member of Congress makes. I am reviewing the facts surrounding the reported chemical weapon attacks, the administration's plan and the scope of the authorizing resolution. The use of chemical weapons is universally abhorrent and deplorable, but we should always be cautious about the use of force abroad, especially after the rush to war in Iraq. My decision will rest on whether the administration's plan would advance our national interests.
     

  :)         ;)         :D         :sleeping:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/23379594/hirono-still-undecided-on-potential-action-against-assad   
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

Q

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