Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui (Read 37602 times)

kaloman

Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« on: July 07, 2013, 09:19:37 PM »
Anyone know about this incident?  This is terrible news to hear. 

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/574305/Fatal-shooting-under-investigation.html?nav=10

Heavies

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2013, 09:26:02 PM »
Wow. That sucks. Not much info there.

mauiboi9

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 09:30:30 PM »
Got a phone call about it but havent heard much about it. if i do ill try and fill in
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CSaladino

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 09:31:10 PM »
No details yet!  Smh

SurFKooK

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 09:42:18 PM »
Wow.. That is freaky to hear, during a hand gun class too

1911

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 10:53:46 PM »
That's just sad   

michalebsdad

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 11:04:56 PM »
That sucks...wish there was more information

branz1029

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 11:16:07 PM »
thats very unfortunate, hopefully more news becomes available soon

GZire

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2013, 07:36:59 AM »
Just read about that this morning.

Last fatal shooting I heard about was the one at Waikiki.

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Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 09:48:37 AM »
wow... I wondered if it was a suicide. Someone just taking the class to have access to a gun. Maybe they will start pre-qualifying people to take the class to weed out anyone who cannot handle weapons.

I feel worse for the instructors and other people taking the class than the woman herself. It would be pretty scarring to see that right before your eyes. Probably moreso had it been more than a .22

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Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2013, 10:14:30 AM »
wow... I wondered if it was a suicide. Someone just taking the class to have access to a gun. Maybe they will start pre-qualifying people to take the class to weed out anyone who cannot handle weapons.

I feel worse for the instructors and other people taking the class than the woman herself. It would be pretty scarring to see that right before your eyes. Probably moreso had it been more than a .22

This touches on the exact problem with all gun control laws and policies:  you can never have the level of control you desire.  The control you think you have is an illusion.  When people are involved, you can not anticipate what all individuals will do in a given situation.  Sure, you can keep the guns out of the hands of people who have been tagged by the system as high risk, but the system itself is flawed and doesn't catch everyone. 

The classes can "pre-qualify" people for every class, but that won't do much to prevent suicidal people from attendance.  This specific case was so outside the norm, there isn't much chance of predicting the outcome.  Unless the stats have changed, women are far less likely to use a firearm for suicide than men.  They more often than not use a suicide attempt to ask for help, and therefore are not inclined  to use violent (and more efficient) means to kill themselves.  They also tend to make the attempts alone, not in public.  If that is still the norm, there isn't much you could have done to screen this person out from taking the class.  Add to that, being barred access to firearms doesn't prevent someone from committing suicide.  There are so many other methods. 

No one can predict how people will behave.  All we can do is examine the situation afterward and try to learn what we can that might be helpful.

When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2013, 10:17:56 AM »
sounds like a suicide. sad

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Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2013, 11:44:24 AM »
Maybe they will start pre-qualifying people to take the class to weed out anyone who cannot handle weapons.


Don't mention this, or HPD will have you get a permit for you to take a pre-qualifying handgun safety class,  in order to take the handgun safety class.

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Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2013, 11:45:46 AM »
This touches on the exact problem with all gun control laws and policies:  you can never have the level of control you desire.  The control you think you have is an illusion.  When people are involved, you can not anticipate what all individuals will do in a given situation.  Sure, you can keep the guns out of the hands of people who have been tagged by the system as high risk, but the system itself is flawed and doesn't catch everyone. 

The classes can "pre-qualify" people for every class, but that won't do much to prevent suicidal people from attendance.  This specific case was so outside the norm, there isn't much chance of predicting the outcome.  Unless the stats have changed, women are far less likely to use a firearm for suicide than men.  They more often than not use a suicide attempt to ask for help, and therefore are not inclined  to use violent (and more efficient) means to kill themselves.  They also tend to make the attempts alone, not in public.  If that is still the norm, there isn't much you could have done to screen this person out from taking the class.  Add to that, being barred access to firearms doesn't prevent someone from committing suicide.  There are so many other methods. 

No one can predict how people will behave.  All we can do is examine the situation afterward and try to learn what we can that might be helpful.



Shit like that is making me want to be armed at the range... for real. 
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Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2013, 12:01:01 PM »
So tragic.  Obviously someone who was in a lot of pain and anguish.  Thouhts go out to her family, and those that bore witness to this tragic event. 
No one is coming, it’s up to us.

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Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2013, 12:06:03 PM »
Shit like that is making me want to be armed at the range... for real.

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drck1000

Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2013, 12:40:30 PM »
SNIP


Two incidents like that happened at a range in Washington at a gun shop and indoor range where I used to go to often.  One occured when I lived there and one after I moved back home.  In the first incident, the person got a rental and shot himself through the temple.  The other got the rental, tucked it his pants and ended up shooting himself in the restroom.  I actually met someone that worked at the shop some months back and was at the shop when the second incident occured. 

The guys in the shop were always carrying hot guns.  The range was adjacent to the gun shop and had a large window separating the range from the shop.  In the case of the mother and son murder-suicide, nothing really the staff would've been able to do. 

A couple years back, we went to one of those rental places in Waikiki to shoot and they muzzles of the runs were secured via a cable to keep them facing downrange.

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Re: Fatal shooting at handgun course on Maui
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2013, 01:00:20 PM »
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